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The coup d'etat against Kennedy - beware the military industrial complex
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Raymond
2012-01-19 08:37:28 UTC
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The coup d'etat against Kennedy - beware the military industrial
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48 years ago, the United States of America had a military coup d'etat
-- an event that most people chose not to see

Political history is far too criminal a subject to be a fit thing to
teach children.
-- W. H. Auden, 1907-1973

It is my belief that since the JFK assassination the secret
government, the CIA and the [Military Industrial Complex], have been
running the show. They have not allowed anyone to become president,
from either party, that was not under their control.
-- Bruce Gagnon, Global Network Against Weapons & Nuclear Power in
Space

Educate-Yourself
The Freedom of Knowledge, The Power of Thought

On Nov 22, 1963, Lyndon B. Johnson became President of the United
States of America.

On that same date, President John F. Kennedy was assassinated at
Dealey Plaza in Dallas, Texas.

On Nov 26, 1963, President Johnson signed a National Security Action
Memorandum [NAAM] #273, the highest level national security document,
as guidance for future Vietnam plans and policy. This brief directive
most significantly initiated changes reversing Kennedy's Vietnam
policy of NSAM #263, Oct 11, 1963. Kennedy had decreed then that "the
bulk of U.S. personnel would be out of Vietnam by the end of 1965."

Strangely, this NSAM #273, which began the change in Kennedy's policy
toward Vietnam, was drafted on Nov 21, 1963...the day before Kennedy
died. It was not Kennedy's policy. He would not have requested it, and
would not have signed it. Why would it have been drafted for his
signature on the day before he died; and why would it have been given
to Johnson so quickly? Johnson had not asked for it. On Nov 21, 1963
Johnson had no expectation whatsoever of being President on Nov 26th.

On Nov 29, 1963, President Johnson met with J. Edgar Hoover, the FBI
Director, to discuss the list of names compiled for the commission to
investigate the assassination of John F. Kennedy. These men were:
Chief Justice Earl Warren, Chairman; Rep. Gerald R. Ford, R-Mi; Rep.
Hale Boggs, D-La; Sen. Richard B. Russell, D-Ga.; Sen. John Sherman
Cooper, R-Ky.; John J. McCloy, New York banker; Allen W. Dulles,
formerly Director of Central Intelligence, Sen. Jacob Javits, D-NY;
and General Lauris Norstad, U.S. Air Force. All were approved to serve
on the Commission, except the last two, who for reasons unknown did
not serve with that body.

Cont'd

http://educate-yourself.org/cn/proutyJFKmurderandLyndonJohnson.shtml

President Kennedy was removed after changing his mind on the Cold War.
He refused to invade Cuba during the Bay of Pigs debacle, refusing to
start nuclear war during the Cuban Missile Crisis (even though his
military advisors were demanding it), stopped atmospheric nuclear
testing and began the process to withdraw troops from Vietnam.

In his farewell address to the nation, President Eisenhower warned
that we should beware the unchecked power of the military-industrial
complex. This speech is one of the greatest in American history, and
prescient in understanding what was coming. Now, in 2005, the future
that Eisenhower warned about is the content of the daily news.

The removal of Kennedy (and later, of his brother on the threshold of
his victory in the Presidential campaign) led to the escalation of the
Vietnam war, Watergate, the 1980 "October Surprise," the Iran-Contra
scandals, BCCI, the invasion of Panama, Desert Storm (1991 war on
Iraq), allowing the 1993 attack on the World Trade Center, Oklahoma
City, the stolen election in Florida in 2000, 9/11 and the anthrax
attacks on the Democrats and the media, the invasions of Afghanistan
and Iraq, and the stolen 2004 Presidential election (to cite a few of
the many scandals since 1963). http://jahtruth.net/theiofk.htm

Cont'd

http://100777.com/node/1456

"there really are linkages between the murders of JFK, MLK, and RFK"
-- Representative Cynthia McKinney, September 14, 2002 reception for
the Congressional Black Caucus www.counterpunch.org/mckinney0918.html

As I ponder the future of America where voices of dissent are snuffed
out by selfishness and intolerance, I’m reminded of the words of Bobby
Kennedy, who we learned yesterday, was considering Martin Luther King,
Jr. as his Vice Presidential running mate. Bobby Kennedy, truly a
great man who selflessly lived and died for his country, shaped an
entire generation with his thoughts, his words, and his deeds.

And it was Bobby Kennedy who reminded us that: “The task of
leadership, the first task of concerned people, is not to condemn or
castigate, or deplore: it is to search out the reason for
disillusionment and alienation, the rationale of protest and
dissenta*”perhaps, indeed, to learn from it. And we may find, that we
learn most of all from those political and social dissenters whose
differences with us are most grave: for among the young, as among
adults, the sharpest criticism often goes hand in hand with the
deepest idealism and love of country.”

Goodbye to All That
by Rep. Cynthia McKinney

Brutus said:
Stoop, Romans, stoop;
And let us bathe our hands in Caesar’s blood
Up to the elbows, and besmear our swords:
Then walk we forth, even to the market-place,
And waving our red weapons o’er our heads,
Let’s all cry “Peace, freedom and liberty!”

And Cassius added,

Stoop then, and wash. How many ages hence
Shall this our lofty scene be acted over
In states unborn and accents yet unknown!

The President and the Press - Kennedy Warns America of New World Order
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=642552841321950688#

Who killed John F. Kennedy?

"If the people knew what we had done, they would chase us down the
street and lynch us."
---- George HW Bush

And you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free.
bigdog
2012-01-19 13:14:22 UTC
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Post by Raymond
The coup d'etat against Kennedy - beware the military industrial
http://youtu.be/8y06NSBBRtY
48 years ago, the United States of America had a military coup d'etat
-- an event that most people chose not to see
Apparently, that didn't get much press coverage because everybody
still had a JFK hangover.
Post by Raymond
Political history is far too criminal a subject to be a fit thing to
teach children.
-- W. H. Auden, 1907-1973
It is my belief that since the JFK assassination the secret
government,
If there is a secret government more that really runs the country, why
would they give a fuck who's president.
Post by Raymond
the CIA and the [Military Industrial Complex], have been
running the show. They have not allowed anyone to become president,
from either party, that was not under their control.
-- Bruce Gagnon, Global Network Against Weapons & Nuclear Power in
Space
CUCKOO!!! CUCKKOO!!! CUCKOO!!!
Post by Raymond
Educate-Yourself
The Freedom of Knowledge, The Power of Thought
RETARD POWER!!!
Post by Raymond
On Nov 22, 1963, Lyndon B. Johnson became President of the United
States of America.
On that same date, President John F. Kennedy was assassinated at
Dealey Plaza in Dallas, Texas.
Damn, that's a strange coincidence. What are the odds?
Post by Raymond
On Nov 26, 1963, President Johnson signed a National Security Action
Memorandum [NAAM] #273, the highest level national security document,
as guidance for future Vietnam plans and policy. This brief directive
most significantly initiated changes reversing Kennedy's Vietnam
policy of NSAM #263, Oct 11, 1963. Kennedy had decreed then that "the
bulk of U.S. personnel would be out of Vietnam by the end of 1965."
Strangely, this NSAM #273, which began the change in Kennedy's policy
toward Vietnam, was drafted on Nov 21, 1963...the day before Kennedy
died. It was not Kennedy's policy. He would not have requested it, and
would not have signed it.
How do you know it wasn't done for Kennedy to sign. Are you now or
have you ever been a member of the secret government?
Post by Raymond
Why would it have been drafted for his
signature on the day before he died; and why would it have been given
to Johnson so quickly? Johnson had not asked for it. On Nov 21, 1963
Johnson had no expectation whatsoever of being President on Nov 26th.
What you describe as a secret government is nothing more than the
bureaucracy at work. These are the people who do the actual work. They
prepare documents and pass them up the ladder for the bigwigs to sign
and sometimes make a photo op with them.
Post by Raymond
On Nov 29, 1963, President Johnson met with J. Edgar Hoover, the FBI
Director, to discuss the list of names compiled for the commission to
Chief Justice Earl Warren, Chairman; Rep. Gerald R. Ford, R-Mi; Rep.
Hale Boggs, D-La; Sen. Richard B. Russell, D-Ga.; Sen. John Sherman
Cooper, R-Ky.; John J. McCloy, New York banker; Allen W. Dulles,
formerly Director of Central Intelligence, Sen. Jacob Javits, D-NY;
and General Lauris Norstad, U.S. Air Force. All were approved to serve
on the Commission, except the last two, who for reasons unknown did
not serve with that body.
So you think it strange that everybody who was considered wasn't
picked. Happens all the time. When there are appointments to be made,
there are usually a list of possible candidates that gets whittled
down. The WC ended up with one senator and one congressman from each
major party. Had Javits been included, that would have given them two
Senate Democrats. If they picked Javits, you'd probably be wondering
why they left off Russell.
Post by Raymond
Cont'd
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/proutyJFKmurderandLyndonJohnson.shtml
President Kennedy was removed after changing his mind on the Cold War.
He refused to invade Cuba during the Bay of Pigs debacle, refusing to
start nuclear war during the Cuban Missile Crisis
Right. I'm sure the MIC was upset we didn't get to start a nuclear
war.
Post by Raymond
(even though his
military advisors were demanding it),
They were demanding an invasion of Cuba. They didn't think the Soviets
would escalate to nuclear war. Kennedy feared that if we invaded Cuba,
the Soviets would take over West Berlin and our NATO commitments would
cause things to spiral out of control. We'll never know if the hawks
or the doves would have been right about the Soviet response.
Post by Raymond
stopped atmospheric nuclear
testing
I'm sure that pissed off the generals they had to set off their
firecrackers underground.
Post by Raymond
and began the process to withdraw troops from Vietnam.
Revisionist history. Kennedy escalated our involvement in Vietnam.
Post by Raymond
In his farewell address to the nation, President Eisenhower warned
that we should beware the unchecked power of the military-industrial
complex. This speech is one of the greatest in American history, and
prescient in understanding what was coming. Now, in 2005, the future
that Eisenhower warned about is the content of the daily news.
Eisenhower was warning of the economic ramifications out of control
defense spending on programs that weren't needed but created jobs for
the constituents of powerful senators and congressman (i.e.
Democrats).
Post by Raymond
The removal of Kennedy (and later, of his brother on the threshold of
his victory in the Presidential campaign) led to the escalation of the
Vietnam war, Watergate, the 1980 "October Surprise," the Iran-Contra
scandals, BCCI, the invasion of Panama, Desert Storm (1991 war on
Iraq), allowing the 1993 attack on the World Trade Center, Oklahoma
City, the stolen election in Florida in 2000, 9/11 and the anthrax
attacks on the Democrats and the media, the invasions of Afghanistan
and Iraq, and the stolen 2004 Presidential election (to cite a few of
the many scandals since 1963).http://jahtruth.net/theiofk.htm
I'd love to see how you connect all those dots. I'm sure it would be a
hoot.

(PS. Bush won every on every Florida recount ever conducted, including
an unofficial one conducted by a liberal news consortium after the
election had been certified. You probably didn't hear about it because
it was reported very quietly. It would have been front page news if
the found out Gore had actually won. 2004 wasn't that close. The
pivotal state was Ohio and the final vote wasn't even close enough to
trigger an automatic recount. Democrats whining about 2000 and 2004
are like a football team that lost two close games in a row and wants
to blame the referees.)
Post by Raymond
http://100777.com/node/1456
"there really are linkages between the murders of JFK, MLK, and RFK"
-- Representative Cynthia McKinney, September 14, 2002 reception for
the Congressional Black Caucuswww.counterpunch.org/mckinney0918.html
Yeah there are linkages. They are all in the ground.
Post by Raymond
As I ponder the future of America where voices of dissent are snuffed
out by selfishness and intolerance, I’m reminded of the words of Bobby
Kennedy, who we learned yesterday, was considering Martin Luther King,
Jr. as his Vice Presidential running mate.
He was considering a dead guy?
Post by Raymond
Bobby Kennedy, truly a
great man who selflessly lived and died for his country, shaped an
entire generation with his thoughts, his words, and his deeds.
So are you blaming him? What were his major accomplishments? Being
born into a rich family. Having a brother elected President?
Post by Raymond
And it was Bobby Kennedy who reminded us that: “The task of
leadership, the first task of concerned people, is not to condemn or
castigate, or deplore: it is to search out the reason for
disillusionment and alienation, the rationale of protest and
dissenta*”perhaps, indeed, to learn from it. And we may find, that we
learn most of all from those political and social dissenters whose
differences with us are most grave: for among the young, as among
adults, the sharpest criticism often goes hand in hand with the
deepest idealism and love of country.”
Goodbye to All That
by Rep. Cynthia McKinney
Stoop, Romans, stoop;
And let us bathe our hands in Caesar’s blood
Then walk we forth, even to the market-place,
And waving our red weapons o’er our heads,
Let’s all cry “Peace, freedom and liberty!”
And Cassius added,
Stoop then, and wash. How many ages hence
Shall this our lofty scene be acted over
In states unborn and accents yet unknown!
So the Julius Caesar assassination was also linked to JFK, MLK, and
RFK? I've suspected that for a long time.
Post by Raymond
The President and the Press - Kennedy Warns America of New World Orderhttp://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=642552841321950688#
Who killed John F. Kennedy?
Do you want to use one of your lifelines?
Post by Raymond
"If the people knew what we had done, they would chase us down the
street and lynch us."
---- George HW Bush
And you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free.
mainframetech
2012-01-19 14:13:44 UTC
Permalink
Post by bigdog
Post by Raymond
http://youtu.be/8y06NSBBRtY
48 years ago, the United States of America had a military coup d'etat
-- an event that most people chose not to see
Apparently, that didn't get much press coverage because everybody
still had a JFK hangover.
Post by Raymond
Political history is far too criminal a subject to be a fit thing to
teach children.
-- W. H. Auden, 1907-1973
It is my belief that since the JFK assassination the secret
government,
If there is a secret government more that really runs the country, why
would they give a fuck who's president.
Post by Raymond
the CIA and the [Military Industrial Complex], have been
running the show. They have not allowed anyone to become president,
from either party, that was not under their control.
-- Bruce Gagnon, Global Network Against Weapons & Nuclear Power in
Space
CUCKOO!!! CUCKKOO!!! CUCKOO!!!
Post by Raymond
Educate-Yourself
The Freedom of Knowledge, The Power of Thought
RETARD POWER!!!
Post by Raymond
On Nov 22, 1963, Lyndon B. Johnson became President of the United
States of America.
On that same date, President John F. Kennedy was assassinated at
Dealey Plaza in Dallas, Texas.
Damn, that's a strange coincidence. What are the odds?
Post by Raymond
On Nov 26, 1963, President Johnson signed a National Security Action
Memorandum [NAAM] #273, the highest level national security document,
as guidance for future Vietnam plans and policy. This brief directive
most significantly initiated changes reversing Kennedy's Vietnam
policy of NSAM #263, Oct 11, 1963. Kennedy had decreed then that "the
bulk of U.S. personnel would be out of Vietnam by the end of 1965."
Strangely, this NSAM #273, which began the change in Kennedy's policy
toward Vietnam, was drafted on Nov 21, 1963...the day before Kennedy
died. It was not Kennedy's policy. He would not have requested it, and
would not have signed it.
How do you know it wasn't done for Kennedy to sign. Are you now or
have you ever been a member of the secret government?
Post by Raymond
Why would it have been drafted for his
signature on the day before he died; and why would it have been given
to Johnson so quickly? Johnson had not asked for it. On Nov 21, 1963
Johnson had no expectation whatsoever of being President on Nov 26th.
What you describe as a secret government is nothing more than the
bureaucracy at work. These are the people who do the actual work. They
prepare documents and pass them up the ladder for the bigwigs to sign
and sometimes make a photo op with them.
Post by Raymond
On Nov 29, 1963, President Johnson met with J. Edgar Hoover, the FBI
Director, to discuss the list of names compiled for the commission to
Chief Justice Earl Warren, Chairman; Rep. Gerald R. Ford, R-Mi; Rep.
Hale Boggs, D-La; Sen. Richard B. Russell, D-Ga.; Sen. John Sherman
Cooper, R-Ky.; John J. McCloy, New York banker; Allen W. Dulles,
formerly Director of Central Intelligence, Sen. Jacob Javits, D-NY;
and General Lauris Norstad, U.S. Air Force. All were approved to serve
on the Commission, except the last two, who for reasons unknown did
not serve with that body.
So you think it strange that everybody who was considered wasn't
picked. Happens all the time. When there are appointments to be made,
there are usually a list of possible candidates that gets whittled
down. The WC ended up with one senator and one congressman from each
major party. Had Javits been included, that would have given them two
Senate Democrats. If they picked Javits, you'd probably be wondering
why they left off Russell.
Post by Raymond
Cont'd
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/proutyJFKmurderandLyndonJohnson.shtml
President Kennedy was removed after changing his mind on the Cold War.
He refused to invade Cuba during the Bay of Pigs debacle, refusing to
start nuclear war during the Cuban Missile Crisis
Right. I'm sure the MIC was upset we didn't get to start a nuclear
war.
Post by Raymond
(even though his
military advisors were demanding it),
They were demanding an invasion of Cuba. They didn't think the Soviets
would escalate to nuclear war. Kennedy feared that if we invaded Cuba,
the Soviets would take over West Berlin and our NATO commitments would
cause things to spiral out of control. We'll never know if the hawks
or the doves would have been right about the Soviet response.
Post by Raymond
stopped atmospheric nuclear
testing
I'm sure that pissed off the generals they had to set off their
firecrackers underground.
Post by Raymond
and began the process to withdraw troops from Vietnam.
Revisionist history. Kennedy escalated our involvement in Vietnam.
Post by Raymond
In his farewell address to the nation, President Eisenhower warned
that we should beware the unchecked power of the military-industrial
complex. This speech is one of the greatest in American history, and
prescient in understanding what was coming. Now, in 2005, the future
that Eisenhower warned about is the content of the daily news.
Eisenhower was warning of the economic ramifications out of control
defense spending on programs that weren't needed but created jobs for
the constituents of powerful senators and congressman (i.e.
Democrats).
Post by Raymond
The removal of Kennedy (and later, of his brother on the threshold of
his victory in the Presidential campaign) led to the escalation of the
Vietnam war, Watergate, the 1980 "October Surprise," the Iran-Contra
scandals, BCCI, the invasion of Panama, Desert Storm (1991 war on
Iraq), allowing the 1993 attack on the World Trade Center, Oklahoma
City, the stolen election in Florida in 2000, 9/11 and the anthrax
attacks on the Democrats and the media, the invasions of Afghanistan
and Iraq, and the stolen 2004 Presidential election (to cite a few of
the many scandals since 1963).http://jahtruth.net/theiofk.htm
I'd love to see how you connect all those dots. I'm sure it would be a
hoot.
(PS. Bush won every on every Florida recount ever conducted, including
an unofficial one conducted by a liberal news consortium after the
election had been certified. You probably didn't hear about it because
it was reported very quietly. It would have been front page news if
the found out Gore had actually won. 2004 wasn't that close. The
pivotal state was Ohio and the final vote wasn't even close enough to
trigger an automatic recount. Democrats whining about 2000 and 2004
are like a football team that lost two close games in a row and wants
to blame the referees.)
Post by Raymond
http://100777.com/node/1456
"there really are linkages between the murders of JFK, MLK, and RFK"
-- Representative Cynthia McKinney, September 14, 2002 reception for
the Congressional Black Caucuswww.counterpunch.org/mckinney0918.html
Yeah there are linkages. They are all in the ground.
Post by Raymond
As I ponder the future of America where voices of dissent are snuffed
out by selfishness and intolerance, I’m reminded of the words of Bobby
Kennedy, who we learned yesterday, was considering Martin Luther King,
Jr. as his Vice Presidential running mate.
He was considering a dead guy?
Post by Raymond
Bobby Kennedy, truly a
great man who selflessly lived and died for his country, shaped an
entire generation with his thoughts, his words, and his deeds.
So are you blaming him? What were his major accomplishments? Being
born into a rich family. Having a brother elected President?
Post by Raymond
And it was Bobby Kennedy who reminded us that: “The task of
leadership, the first task of concerned people, is not to condemn or
castigate, or deplore: it is to search out the reason for
disillusionment and alienation, the rationale of protest and
dissenta*”perhaps, indeed, to learn from it. And we may find, that we
learn most of all from those political and social dissenters whose
differences with us are most grave: for among the young, as among
adults, the sharpest criticism often goes hand in hand with the
deepest idealism and love of country.”
Goodbye to All That
by Rep. Cynthia McKinney
Stoop, Romans, stoop;
And let us bathe our hands in Caesar’s blood
Then walk we forth, even to the market-place,
And waving our red weapons o’er our heads,
Let’s all cry “Peace, freedom and liberty!”
And Cassius added,
Stoop then, and wash. How many ages hence
Shall this our lofty scene be acted over
In states unborn and accents yet unknown!
So the Julius Caesar assassination was also linked to JFK, MLK, and
RFK? I've suspected that for a long time.
Post by Raymond
The President and the Press - Kennedy Warns America of New World Orderhttp://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=642552841321950688#
Who killed John F. Kennedy?
Do you want to use one of your lifelines?
Post by Raymond
"If the people knew what we had done, they would chase us down the
street and lynch us."
---- George HW Bush
And you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free.- Hide quoted text -
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Very interesting the people and the concepts that you attack or
defend. Tells something or your motivations, doesn't it? :)

Chris
Raymond
2012-01-19 19:30:28 UTC
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Post by bigdog
Post by Raymond
http://youtu.be/8y06NSBBRtY
48 years ago, the United States of America had a military coup d'etat
-- an event that most people chose not to see
Apparently, that didn't get much press coverage because everybody
still had a JFK hangover.
Post by Raymond
Political history is far too criminal a subject to be a fit thing to
teach children.
-- W. H. Auden, 1907-1973
It is my belief that since the JFK assassination the secret
government,
If there is a secret government more that really runs the country, why
would they give a fuck who's president.
Post by Raymond
the CIA and the [Military Industrial Complex], have been
running the show. They have not allowed anyone to become president,
from either party, that was not under their control.
-- Bruce Gagnon, Global Network Against Weapons & Nuclear Power in
Space
CUCKOO!!! CUCKKOO!!! CUCKOO!!!
Post by Raymond
Educate-Yourself
The Freedom of Knowledge, The Power of Thought
RETARD POWER!!!
Post by Raymond
On Nov 22, 1963, Lyndon B. Johnson became President of the United
States of America.
On that same date, President John F. Kennedy was assassinated at
Dealey Plaza in Dallas, Texas.
Damn, that's a strange coincidence. What are the odds?
Post by Raymond
On Nov 26, 1963, President Johnson signed a National Security Action
Memorandum [NAAM] #273, the highest level national security document,
as guidance for future Vietnam plans and policy. This brief directive
most significantly initiated changes reversing Kennedy's Vietnam
policy of NSAM #263, Oct 11, 1963. Kennedy had decreed then that "the
bulk of U.S. personnel would be out of Vietnam by the end of 1965."
Strangely, this NSAM #273, which began the change in Kennedy's policy
toward Vietnam, was drafted on Nov 21, 1963...the day before Kennedy
died. It was not Kennedy's policy. He would not have requested it, and
would not have signed it.
How do you know it wasn't done for Kennedy to sign. Are you now or
have you ever been a member of the secret government?
Post by Raymond
Why would it have been drafted for his
signature on the day before he died; and why would it have been given
to Johnson so quickly? Johnson had not asked for it. On Nov 21, 1963
Johnson had no expectation whatsoever of being President on Nov 26th.
What you describe as a secret government is nothing more than the
bureaucracy at work. These are the people who do the actual work. They
prepare documents and pass them up the ladder for the bigwigs to sign
and sometimes make a photo op with them.
Post by Raymond
On Nov 29, 1963, President Johnson met with J. Edgar Hoover, the FBI
Director, to discuss the list of names compiled for the commission to
Chief Justice Earl Warren, Chairman; Rep. Gerald R. Ford, R-Mi; Rep.
Hale Boggs, D-La; Sen. Richard B. Russell, D-Ga.; Sen. John Sherman
Cooper, R-Ky.; John J. McCloy, New York banker; Allen W. Dulles,
formerly Director of Central Intelligence, Sen. Jacob Javits, D-NY;
and General Lauris Norstad, U.S. Air Force. All were approved to serve
on the Commission, except the last two, who for reasons unknown did
not serve with that body.
So you think it strange that everybody who was considered wasn't
picked. Happens all the time. When there are appointments to be made,
there are usually a list of possible candidates that gets whittled
down. The WC ended up with one senator and one congressman from each
major party. Had Javits been included, that would have given them two
Senate Democrats. If they picked Javits, you'd probably be wondering
why they left off Russell.
Post by Raymond
Cont'd
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/proutyJFKmurderandLyndonJohnson.shtml
President Kennedy was removed after changing his mind on the Cold War.
He refused to invade Cuba during the Bay of Pigs debacle, refusing to
start nuclear war during the Cuban Missile Crisis
Right. I'm sure the MIC was upset we didn't get to start a nuclear
war.
Post by Raymond
(even though his
military advisors were demanding it),
They were demanding an invasion of Cuba. They didn't think the Soviets
would escalate to nuclear war. Kennedy feared that if we invaded Cuba,
the Soviets would take over West Berlin and our NATO commitments would
cause things to spiral out of control. We'll never know if the hawks
or the doves would have been right about the Soviet response.
Post by Raymond
stopped atmospheric nuclear
testing
I'm sure that pissed off the generals they had to set off their
firecrackers underground.
Post by Raymond
and began the process to withdraw troops from Vietnam.
Revisionist history. Kennedy escalated our involvement in Vietnam.
Post by Raymond
In his farewell address to the nation, President Eisenhower warned
that we should beware the unchecked power of the military-industrial
complex. This speech is one of the greatest in American history, and
prescient in understanding what was coming. Now, in 2005, the future
that Eisenhower warned about is the content of the daily news.
Eisenhower was warning of the economic ramifications out of control
defense spending on programs that weren't needed but created jobs for
the constituents of powerful senators and congressman (i.e.
Democrats).
Post by Raymond
The removal of Kennedy (and later, of his brother on the threshold of
his victory in the Presidential campaign) led to the escalation of the
Vietnam war, Watergate, the 1980 "October Surprise," the Iran-Contra
scandals, BCCI, the invasion of Panama, Desert Storm (1991 war on
Iraq), allowing the 1993 attack on the World Trade Center, Oklahoma
City, the stolen election in Florida in 2000, 9/11 and the anthrax
attacks on the Democrats and the media, the invasions of Afghanistan
and Iraq, and the stolen 2004 Presidential election (to cite a few of
the many scandals since 1963).http://jahtruth.net/theiofk.htm
I'd love to see how you connect all those dots. I'm sure it would be a
hoot.
(PS. Bush won every on every Florida recount ever conducted, including
an unofficial one conducted by a liberal news consortium after the
election had been certified. You probably didn't hear about it because
it was reported very quietly. It would have been front page news if
the found out Gore had actually won. 2004 wasn't that close. The
pivotal state was Ohio and the final vote wasn't even close enough to
trigger an automatic recount. Democrats whining about 2000 and 2004
are like a football team that lost two close games in a row and wants
to blame the referees.)
Post by Raymond
http://100777.com/node/1456
"there really are linkages between the murders of JFK, MLK, and RFK"
-- Representative Cynthia McKinney, September 14, 2002 reception for
the Congressional Black Caucuswww.counterpunch.org/mckinney0918.html
Yeah there are linkages. They are all in the ground.
Post by Raymond
As I ponder the future of America where voices of dissent are snuffed
out by selfishness and intolerance, I’m reminded of the words of Bobby
Kennedy, who we learned yesterday, was considering Martin Luther King,
Jr. as his Vice Presidential running mate.
He was considering a dead guy?
Post by Raymond
Bobby Kennedy, truly a
great man who selflessly lived and died for his country, shaped an
entire generation with his thoughts, his words, and his deeds.
So are you blaming him? What were his major accomplishments? Being
born into a rich family. Having a brother elected President?
Post by Raymond
And it was Bobby Kennedy who reminded us that: “The task of
leadership, the first task of concerned people, is not to condemn or
castigate, or deplore: it is to search out the reason for
disillusionment and alienation, the rationale of protest and
dissenta*”perhaps, indeed, to learn from it. And we may find, that we
learn most of all from those political and social dissenters whose
differences with us are most grave: for among the young, as among
adults, the sharpest criticism often goes hand in hand with the
deepest idealism and love of country.”
Goodbye to All That
by Rep. Cynthia McKinney
Stoop, Romans, stoop;
And let us bathe our hands in Caesar’s blood
Then walk we forth, even to the market-place,
And waving our red weapons o’er our heads,
Let’s all cry “Peace, freedom and liberty!”
And Cassius added,
Stoop then, and wash. How many ages hence
Shall this our lofty scene be acted over
In states unborn and accents yet unknown!
So the Julius Caesar assassination was also linked to JFK, MLK, and
RFK? I've suspected that for a long time.
Post by Raymond
The President and the Press - Kennedy Warns America of New World Orderhttp://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=642552841321950688#
Who killed John F. Kennedy?
Do you want to use one of your lifelines?
Dumb dog. I bought a dog whistle. He won’t use it
Post by bigdog
Post by Raymond
"If the people knew what we had done, they would chase us down the
street and lynch us."
---- George HW Bush
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Post by Raymond
The coup d'etat against Kennedy - beware the military industrial
http://youtu.be/8y06NSBBRtY
48 years ago, the United States of America had a military coup d'etat
-- an event that most people chose not to see
Apparently, that didn't get much press coverage because everybody
still had a JFK hangover.
Post by Raymond
Political history is far too criminal a subject to be a fit thing to
teach children.
-- W. H. Auden, 1907-1973
It is my belief that since the JFK assassination the secret
government,
If there is a secret government more that really runs the country, why
would they give a fuck who's president.
Post by Raymond
the CIA and the [Military Industrial Complex], have been
running the show. They have not allowed anyone to become president,
from either party, that was not under their control.
-- Bruce Gagnon, Global Network Against Weapons & Nuclear Power in
Space
CUCKOO!!! CUCKKOO!!! CUCKOO!!!
Post by Raymond
Educate-Yourself
The Freedom of Knowledge, The Power of Thought
RETARD POWER!!!
Post by Raymond
On Nov 22, 1963, Lyndon B. Johnson became President of the United
States of America.
On that same date, President John F. Kennedy was assassinated at
Dealey Plaza in Dallas, Texas.
Damn, that's a strange coincidence. What are the odds?

100%.
Post by Raymond
On Nov 26, 1963, President Johnson signed a National Security Action
Memorandum [NAAM] #273, the highest level national security document,
as guidance for future Vietnam plans and policy. This brief directive
most significantly initiated changes reversing Kennedy's Vietnam
policy of NSAM #263, Oct 11, 1963. Kennedy had decreed then that "the
bulk of U.S. personnel would be out of Vietnam by the end of 1965."
Strangely, this NSAM #273, which began the change in Kennedy's policy
toward Vietnam, was drafted on Nov 21, 1963...the day before Kennedy
died. It was not Kennedy's policy. He would not have requested it, and
would not have signed it.
How do you know it wasn't done for Kennedy to sign. Are you now or
have you ever been a member of the secret government?
Post by Raymond
Why would it have been drafted for his
signature on the day before he died; and why would it have been given
to Johnson so quickly? Johnson had not asked for it. On Nov 21, 1963
Johnson had no expectation whatsoever of being President on Nov 26th.
What you describe as a secret government is nothing more than the
bureaucracy at work. These are the people who do the actual work. They
prepare documents and pass them up the ladder for the bigwigs to sign
and sometimes make a photo op with them.
Post by Raymond
On Nov 29, 1963, President Johnson met with J. Edgar Hoover, the FBI
Director, to discuss the list of names compiled for the commission to
Chief Justice Earl Warren, Chairman; Rep. Gerald R. Ford, R-Mi; Rep.
Hale Boggs, D-La; Sen. Richard B. Russell, D-Ga.; Sen. John Sherman
Cooper, R-Ky.; John J. McCloy, New York banker; Allen W. Dulles,
formerly Director of Central Intelligence, Sen. Jacob Javits, D-NY;
and General Lauris Norstad, U.S. Air Force. All were approved to serve
on the Commission, except the last two, who for reasons unknown did
not serve with that body.
So you think it strange that everybody who was considered wasn't
picked. Happens all the time. When there are appointments to be made,
there are usually a list of possible candidates that gets whittled
down. The WC ended up with one senator and one congressman from each
major party. Had Javits been included, that would have given them two
Senate Democrats. If they picked Javits, you'd probably be wondering
why they left off Russell.
Post by Raymond
Cont'd
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/proutyJFKmurderandLyndonJohnson.shtml
President Kennedy was removed after changing his mind on the Cold War.
He refused to invade Cuba during the Bay of Pigs debacle, refusing to
start nuclear war during the Cuban Missile Crisis
Right. I'm sure the MIC was upset we didn't get to start a nuclear
war.
Post by Raymond
(even though his
military advisors were demanding it),
They were demanding an invasion of Cuba. They didn't think the Soviets
would escalate to nuclear war. Kennedy feared that if we invaded Cuba,
the Soviets would take over West Berlin and our NATO commitments would
cause things to spiral out of control. We'll never know if the hawks
or the doves would have been right about the Soviet response.
Post by Raymond
stopped atmospheric nuclear
testing
I'm sure that pissed off the generals they had to set off their
firecrackers underground.
Post by Raymond
and began the process to withdraw troops from Vietnam.
Revisionist history. Kennedy escalated our involvement in Vietnam.

You are now the one revising history since Kennedy didn't escalate
beyond June 10, 1963 with his magnificent Peace Speech at American
University.
JFK's NSAM #263, signed on Oct. 11, 1963, proves JFK was then in the
process of withdrawing troops from Vietnam starting with 1,000 (of the mere
16,000) by Christmas 1963. Not fighting U.S. Marines as LBJ subsequently
did, but special Army personnel and other military advisors. Casualites were
very low, almost non-existant until LBJ had the Marines land in early 1965.
That's the fact-based truth, whether you like it or not.
Post by Raymond
In his farewell address to the nation, President Eisenhower warned
that we should beware the unchecked power of the military-industrial
complex. This speech is one of the greatest in American history, and
prescient in understanding what was coming. Now, in 2005, the future
that Eisenhower warned about is the content of the daily news.
Eisenhower was warning of the economic ramifications out of control
defense spending on programs that weren't needed but created jobs for
the constituents of powerful senators and congressman (i.e.
Democrats).
Post by Raymond
The removal of Kennedy (and later, of his brother on the threshold of
his victory in the Presidential campaign) led to the escalation of the
Vietnam war, Watergate, the 1980 "October Surprise," the Iran-Contra
scandals, BCCI, the invasion of Panama, Desert Storm (1991 war on
Iraq), allowing the 1993 attack on the World Trade Center, Oklahoma
City, the stolen election in Florida in 2000, 9/11 and the anthrax
attacks on the Democrats and the media, the invasions of Afghanistan
and Iraq, and the stolen 2004 Presidential election (to cite a few of
the many scandals since 1963).http://jahtruth.net/theiofk.htm
I'd love to see how you connect all those dots. I'm sure it would be a
hoot.

(PS. Bush won every on every Florida recount ever conducted, including
an unofficial one conducted by a liberal news consortium after the
election had been certified. You probably didn't hear about it because
it was reported very quietly. It would have been front page news if
the found out Gore had actually won. 2004 wasn't that close. The
pivotal state was Ohio and the final vote wasn't even close enough to
trigger an automatic recount. Democrats whining about 2000 and 2004
are like a football team that lost two close games in a row and wants
to blame the referees.)
Post by Raymond
http://100777.com/node/1456
"there really are linkages between the murders of JFK, MLK, and RFK"
-- Representative Cynthia McKinney, September 14, 2002 reception for
the Congressional Black Caucuswww.counterpunch.org/mckinney0918.html
Yeah there are linkages. They are all in the ground.

So's your brain.
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Post by Raymond
The removal of Kennedy (and later, of his brother on the threshold of
his victory in the Presidential campaign)
It is revisionist history to claim RFK was on the brink of winning the
nomination in 1968, much less the general election. The California
primary was an elimination game between him and Senator McCarthy. Even
after the winner-take-all primary, RFK was well behind Humphrey in
delagate count. In 1968, most of the convention delegates were not
chosen through primaries but by the party pros at state conventions.
Most of these guys were establishment people who backed VP Humphrey
and considered both RFK and McCarthy mavericks who wanted to upset
their applecart. California was the last big primary so RFK's chances
of capturing enough delegates to overtake Humphrey were slim. At best,
he might have denied Humphrey a first ballot nomination. He would have
faced an even bigger uphill climb in November. The country still
largely supported the Vietnam War and the Democrats were out of favor
as demonstrated by the huge Republican gains in the 1966 midterm
elections.
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Post by Raymond
The removal of Kennedy (and later, of his brother on the threshold of
his victory in the Presidential campaign)
It is revisionist history to claim RFK was on the brink of winning the
nomination in 1968, much less the general election.
revisionist history? rotflmfap! gotta' wake up and smell the roses
moron.... RFK was going to be the next president... ask Dr. Ed Moise!

<snip the remaining lone nut lunacy>
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Post by Raymond
The removal of Kennedy (and later, of his brother on the threshold of
his victory in the Presidential campaign)
It is revisionist history to claim RFK was on the brink of winning the
nomination in 1968, much less the general election. The California
primary was an elimination game between him and Senator McCarthy. Even
after the winner-take-all primary, RFK was well behind Humphrey in
delegate count. In 1968, most of the convention delegates were not
chosen through primaries but by the party pros at state conventions.
Most of these guys were establishment people who backed VP Humphrey
and considered both RFK and McCarthy mavericks who wanted to upset
their applecart. California was the last big primary so RFK's chances
of capturing enough delegates to overtake Humphrey were slim. At best,
he might have denied Humphrey a first ballot nomination. He would have
faced an even bigger uphill climb in November.

===start

At long last, you wrote something I could at least partially agree with on
the basic facts of the '68 Democratic race for the nomination.

===end

The country still largely supported the Vietnam War and the Democrats were
out of favor
as demonstrated by the huge Republican gains in the 1966 midterm
elections.


===start

A shame, but you went right back to saying ridiculous things again.
The country had turned against the War by the Spring of 1968 after the Tet
Offensive, and also there were significant protests in 1967 presaging the
massive change of opinion.

Robert Kennedy would have beaten Nixon in '68 had RFK gotten the nomination.
He was a much better speaker, way more magnetic a personality, *and* less
extreme in the public's perception of his foreign policy views that hurt
Humphrey so much compared to Nixon's perceived more moderate ratings.


"President Elect" computer game (1960-1988 elections)

0 = conservative
50 = moderate
100 = liberal

Any rating lower than 20 or higher than 80 is punished severely by the
voters as "too extreme."
Naturally, a candidate with higher Speaking, and Personal Magnetism, can at
least partially makeup for his extremist views in attracting votes compared
to his opponent's. A low POISE rating causes gaffes on the campaign trail,
which hurt his voting strength.


DEMOCRAT Social Economic Foreign Policy Overall

Humphrey 91 79 85 85 [explains loss]
Robert Kennedy 91 82 70 81
John Kennedy 84 57 37 59
LBJ 78 66 38 60
Bill Clinton 74 56 72 67
George McGovern 94 77 95 89 [explains loss]
Ted Kennedy 92 86 87 88
Mario Cuomo 95 80 84 86
George Wallace 11 36 8 18
Jimmy Carter 59 59 65 61
Walter Mondale 92 83 84 86 [explains loss]


REPUBLICAN Social Economic Foreign Policy Overall

Nixon 39 41 30 36
Reagan 10 4 10 8
Goldwater 1 5 7 4 [explains loss]
George H.W. Bush 39 28 20 29
George W. Bush 4 1 18 7
Gerald Ford 22 25 17 21


Ratings
-------

SPEAKING Ability

1 Very poor public speaker
5 Competent, though not brilliant
9 Orator for the ages, Churchillian


Personal MAGNETISM

1 Easy to ignore - ineffectual
5 Average for a national politician
9 A spellbinder - irresistible


POISE

1 Frequently puts foot in mouth
5 Sometimes slips, but not often
9 Extremely cool under fire


Speaking Personal Poise Home State
Magnetism

DEMOCRAT

Humphrey 5 5 7 Minnesota
Robert Kennedy 7 8 8 Massachusetts
John Kennedy 7 8 7 Massachusetts
LBJ 5 6 9 Texas
Ted Kennedy 7 7 5 Massachusetts
Bill Clinton 7 7 4 Arkansas
George McGovern 4 3 5 South Dakota
Mario Cuomo 9 7 5 New York
George Wallace 6 6 4 Alabama
Jimmy Carter 3 4 8 Georgia
Walter Mondale 6 5 6 Minnesota


REPUBLICAN

Nixon 6 5 8 California
Reagan 8 8 7 California
Goldwater 5 4 5 Arizona
George H.W. Bush 6 4 7 Texas
George W. Bush 3 6 8 Texas
Gerald Ford 4 4 5 Michigan


THIRD PARTY / INDEPENDENT

Jesus Christ 9 9 9 [just for fun!]


JFK, RFK, and Reagan are the only 3 major candidates since 1960, who get an
'8' in PERSONAL MAGNETISM, 1 less than the maximum '9'. Mario Cuomo, a
brilliant orator, gets the best SPEAKING rating, a maximum '9'.
LBJ had the best POISE, with a maximum '9'.
Bill Clarke
2012-01-19 18:43:02 UTC
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In article <dc24b453-00c7-401c-8237-***@o12g2000vbd.googlegroups.com>,
Raymond says...
Post by Raymond
The coup d'etat against Kennedy - beware the military industrial
complex

48 years ago, the United States of America had a military coup d'etat
-- an event that most people chose not to see
Political history is far too criminal a subject to be a fit thing to
teach children.
-- W. H. Auden, 1907-1973
It is my belief that since the JFK assassination the secret
government, the CIA and the [Military Industrial Complex], have been
running the show. They have not allowed anyone to become president,
from either party, that was not under their control.
-- Bruce Gagnon, Global Network Against Weapons & Nuclear Power in
Space
Educate-Yourself
The Freedom of Knowledge, The Power of Thought
On Nov 22, 1963, Lyndon B. Johnson became President of the United
States of America.
On that same date, President John F. Kennedy was assassinated at
Dealey Plaza in Dallas, Texas.
On Nov 26, 1963, President Johnson signed a National Security Action
Memorandum [NAAM] #273, the highest level national security document,
as guidance for future Vietnam plans and policy. This brief directive
most significantly initiated changes reversing Kennedy's Vietnam
policy of NSAM #263, Oct 11, 1963.
Dr. Ed Moise says the change was small and insignificant. Do you know what
these changes were or are you just repeating what you have heard from the far
left for decades. The small change dealt with the program Kennedy had begun
that became OPLAN 34-A under Johnson. This program was insignificant under
Kennedy, it remained insignificant under Johnson.
Post by Raymond
Kennedy had decreed then that "the bulk of U.S. personnel would be out of
Vietnam by the end of 1965."
This isn’t true either. NSAM 263 says that “WE SHOULD BE ABLE to withdraw the
bulk of our troops” by 1965. It doesn’t say “We will”. On the Miller Center
tapes you can hear JFK say that if 1965 doesn’t work out we will get a new date.
So 1965 wasn’t the deadline so many Camelot groupies would like for us to
believe.

http://tapes.millercenter.virginia.edu/clips/1963_1002_vietnam_am/
JFK: Well, let’s say it anyway. Then ’65 if it doesn’t work out {unclear] we’ll
get a new date.
Post by Raymond
Strangely, this NSAM #273, which began the change in Kennedy's policy
toward Vietnam, was drafted on Nov 21, 1963...the day before Kennedy
died. It was not Kennedy's policy. He would not have requested it, and
would not have signed it. Why would it have been drafted for his
signature on the day before he died;
Well, JFK did in fact request it from his National Security advisor Mac Bundy
and most think that JFK would have signed the draft Bundy had prepared for him
as was his norm.

JFK requested the new NSAM from Bundy shortly before he left on his fateful
trip. Looks to me like Bundy prepared it as ordered ASAP. The purpose was to
reaffirm NSAM 263 after JFK had okayed the removal of Ngo Dinh Diem in SVN. A
colossal blunder.


and why would it have been given
Post by Raymond
to Johnson so quickly? Johnson had not asked for it. On Nov 21, 1963
Johnson had no expectation whatsoever of being President on Nov 26th.
On Nov 29, 1963, President Johnson met with J. Edgar Hoover, the FBI
Director, to discuss the list of names compiled for the commission to
Chief Justice Earl Warren, Chairman; Rep. Gerald R. Ford, R-Mi; Rep.
Hale Boggs, D-La; Sen. Richard B. Russell, D-Ga.; Sen. John Sherman
Cooper, R-Ky.; John J. McCloy, New York banker; Allen W. Dulles,
formerly Director of Central Intelligence, Sen. Jacob Javits, D-NY;
and General Lauris Norstad, U.S. Air Force. All were approved to serve
on the Commission, except the last two, who for reasons unknown did
not serve with that body.
Cont'd
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/proutyJFKmurderandLyndonJohnson.shtml
President Kennedy was removed after changing his mind on the Cold War.
He refused to invade Cuba during the Bay of Pigs debacle, refusing to
start nuclear war during the Cuban Missile Crisis (even though his
military advisors were demanding it), stopped atmospheric nuclear
testing and began the process to withdraw troops from Vietnam.
In his farewell address to the nation, President Eisenhower warned
that we should beware the unchecked power of the military-industrial
complex. This speech is one of the greatest in American history, and
prescient in understanding what was coming. Now, in 2005, the future
that Eisenhower warned about is the content of the daily news.
The removal of Kennedy (and later, of his brother on the threshold of
his victory in the Presidential campaign) led to the escalation of the
Vietnam war, Watergate, the 1980 "October Surprise," the Iran-Contra
scandals, BCCI, the invasion of Panama, Desert Storm (1991 war on
Iraq), allowing the 1993 attack on the World Trade Center, Oklahoma
City, the stolen election in Florida in 2000, 9/11 and the anthrax
attacks on the Democrats and the media, the invasions of Afghanistan
and Iraq, and the stolen 2004 Presidential election (to cite a few of
the many scandals since 1963). http://jahtruth.net/theiofk.htm
Why not add menstrual cramps and amoebic dysentery to the list?

Bill Clarke
Post by Raymond
Cont'd
http://100777.com/node/1456
"there really are linkages between the murders of JFK, MLK, and RFK"
-- Representative Cynthia McKinney, September 14, 2002 reception for
the Congressional Black Caucus www.counterpunch.org/mckinney0918.html
As I ponder the future of America where voices of dissent are snuffed
out by selfishness and intolerance, I=92m reminded of the words of Bobby
Kennedy, who we learned yesterday, was considering Martin Luther King,
Jr. as his Vice Presidential running mate. Bobby Kennedy, truly a
great man who selflessly lived and died for his country, shaped an
entire generation with his thoughts, his words, and his deeds.
And it was Bobby Kennedy who reminded us that: =93The task of
leadership, the first task of concerned people, is not to condemn or
castigate, or deplore: it is to search out the reason for
disillusionment and alienation, the rationale of protest and
dissenta*=94perhaps, indeed, to learn from it. And we may find, that we
learn most of all from those political and social dissenters whose
differences with us are most grave: for among the young, as among
adults, the sharpest criticism often goes hand in hand with the
deepest idealism and love of country.=94
Goodbye to All That
by Rep. Cynthia McKinney
Stoop, Romans, stoop;
And let us bathe our hands in Caesar=92s blood
Then walk we forth, even to the market-place,
And waving our red weapons o=92er our heads,
Let=92s all cry =93Peace, freedom and liberty!=94
And Cassius added,
Stoop then, and wash. How many ages hence
Shall this our lofty scene be acted over
In states unborn and accents yet unknown!
The President and the Press - Kennedy Warns America of New World Order
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3D642552841321950688#
Who killed John F. Kennedy?
"If the people knew what we had done, they would chase us down the
street and lynch us."
---- George HW Bush
And you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free.
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"Raymond" <***@aol.com> wrote in message news:dc24b453-00c7-401c-8237-***@o12g2000vbd.googlegroups.com...
The coup d'etat against Kennedy - beware the military industrial
complex
http://youtu.be/8y06NSBBRtY

48 years ago, the United States of America had a military coup d'etat
-- an event that most people chose not to see

Political history is far too criminal a subject to be a fit thing to
teach children.
-- W. H. Auden, 1907-1973

It is my belief that since the JFK assassination the secret
government, the CIA and the [Military Industrial Complex], have been
running the show. They have not allowed anyone to become president,
from either party, that was not under their control.
-- Bruce Gagnon, Global Network Against Weapons & Nuclear Power in
Space

Educate-Yourself
The Freedom of Knowledge, The Power of Thought

On Nov 22, 1963, Lyndon B. Johnson became President of the United
States of America.

On that same date, President John F. Kennedy was assassinated at
Dealey Plaza in Dallas, Texas.

On Nov 26, 1963, President Johnson signed a National Security Action
Memorandum [NAAM] #273, the highest level national security document,
as guidance for future Vietnam plans and policy. This brief directive
most significantly initiated changes reversing Kennedy's Vietnam
policy of NSAM #263, Oct 11, 1963. Kennedy had decreed then that "the
bulk of U.S. personnel would be out of Vietnam by the end of 1965."

Strangely, this NSAM #273, which began the change in Kennedy's policy
toward Vietnam, was drafted on Nov 21, 1963...the day before Kennedy
died. It was not Kennedy's policy. He would not have requested it, and
would not have signed it. Why would it have been drafted for his
signature on the day before he died; and why would it have been given
to Johnson so quickly? Johnson had not asked for it.

On Nov 21, 1963 Johnson had no expectation whatsoever of being President on
Nov 26th.

===start

Oh, but LBJ probably *did*, according to his mistress, Madeleine Brown!
Look on YouTube for her video explaining what she saw and heard directly
from Lyndon himself.
I did the work for you. Here it is, and go to 2:35 if you want to skip the
preliminaries:


"LBJ's Mistress Blows Whistle on JFK Assassination" (posted on Nov. 22,
2006)

"After tomorrow, those SOB's [the Kennedy's] will never embarrass me again.
That's not a threat, that's a promise!" --LBJ to Madeleine Brown, Nov. 21,
1963


===end

On Nov 29, 1963, President Johnson met with J. Edgar Hoover, the FBI
Director, to discuss the list of names compiled for the commission to
investigate the assassination of John F. Kennedy. These men were:
Chief Justice Earl Warren, Chairman; Rep. Gerald R. Ford, R-Mi; Rep.
Hale Boggs, D-La; Sen. Richard B. Russell, D-Ga.; Sen. John Sherman
Cooper, R-Ky.; John J. McCloy, New York banker; Allen W. Dulles,
formerly Director of Central Intelligence, Sen. Jacob Javits, D-NY;
and General Lauris Norstad, U.S. Air Force. All were approved to serve
on the Commission, except the last two, who for reasons unknown did
not serve with that body.

Cont'd

http://educate-yourself.org/cn/proutyJFKmurderandLyndonJohnson.shtml

President Kennedy was removed after changing his mind on the Cold War.
He refused to invade Cuba during the Bay of Pigs debacle, refusing to
start nuclear war during the Cuban Missile Crisis (even though his
military advisors were demanding it), stopped atmospheric nuclear
testing and began the process to withdraw troops from Vietnam.

In his farewell address to the nation, President Eisenhower warned
that we should beware the unchecked power of the military-industrial
complex. This speech is one of the greatest in American history, and
prescient in understanding what was coming. Now, in 2005, the future
that Eisenhower warned about is the content of the daily news.

The removal of Kennedy (and later, of his brother on the threshold of
his victory in the Presidential campaign)

===start

Not sure that after winning California's primary on June 4, 1968, was Robert
actually "on the threshold" as it was too soon to declare that. He did have
a good chance of beating Humphrey, but we'll never know for sure one way or
the other who would have won that intra-party battle at the convention. It
would have been great theater and high ratings back in '68, that's for sure!

===end
Post by Raymond
led to the escalation of the
Vietnam war, Watergate, the 1980 "October Surprise," the Iran-Contra
scandals, BCCI, the invasion of Panama, Desert Storm (1991 war on
Iraq), allowing the 1993 attack on the World Trade Center, Oklahoma
City, the stolen election in Florida in 2000, 9/11 and the anthrax
attacks on the Democrats and the media, the invasions of Afghanistan
and Iraq, and the stolen 2004 Presidential election (to cite a few of
the many scandals since 1963). http://jahtruth.net/theiofk.htm

Cont'd

http://100777.com/node/1456

"there really are linkages between the murders of JFK, MLK, and RFK"
-- Representative Cynthia McKinney, September 14, 2002 reception for
the Congressional Black Caucus www.counterpunch.org/mckinney0918.html

As I ponder the future of America where voices of dissent are snuffed
out by selfishness and intolerance, I’m reminded of the words of Bobby
Kennedy, who we learned yesterday, was considering Martin Luther King,
Jr. as his Vice Presidential running mate.

Bobby Kennedy, truly a
great man who selflessly lived and died for his country, shaped an
entire generation with his thoughts, his words, and his deeds.

===start

As did his brother John, more so than Robert 5-7 years previously.

===end

And it was Bobby Kennedy who reminded us that: “The task of
leadership, the first task of concerned people, is not to condemn or
castigate, or deplore: it is to search out the reason for
disillusionment and alienation, the rationale of protest and
dissenta*”perhaps, indeed, to learn from it. And we may find, that we
learn most of all from those political and social dissenters whose
differences with us are most grave: for among the young, as among
adults, the sharpest criticism often goes hand in hand with the
deepest idealism and love of country.”

Goodbye to All That
by Rep. Cynthia McKinney

Brutus said:
Stoop, Romans, stoop;
And let us bathe our hands in Caesar’s blood
Up to the elbows, and besmear our swords:
Then walk we forth, even to the market-place,
And waving our red weapons o’er our heads,
Let’s all cry “Peace, freedom and liberty!”

And Cassius added,

Stoop then, and wash. How many ages hence
Shall this our lofty scene be acted over
In states unborn and accents yet unknown!

The President and the Press - Kennedy Warns America of New World Order
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=642552841321950688#

Who killed John F. Kennedy?

"If the people knew what we had done, they would chase us down the
street and lynch us."
---- George HW Bush

And you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free.
Bill Clarke
2012-01-24 17:54:04 UTC
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The coup d'etat against Kennedy - beware the military industrial
complex
http://youtu.be/8y06NSBBRtY
48 years ago, the United States of America had a military coup d'etat
-- an event that most people chose not to see
Political history is far too criminal a subject to be a fit thing to
teach children.
-- W. H. Auden, 1907-1973
It is my belief that since the JFK assassination the secret
government, the CIA and the [Military Industrial Complex], have been
running the show. They have not allowed anyone to become president,
from either party, that was not under their control.
-- Bruce Gagnon, Global Network Against Weapons & Nuclear Power in
Space
Educate-Yourself
The Freedom of Knowledge, The Power of Thought
On Nov 22, 1963, Lyndon B. Johnson became President of the United
States of America.
On that same date, President John F. Kennedy was assassinated at
Dealey Plaza in Dallas, Texas.
On Nov 26, 1963, President Johnson signed a National Security Action
Memorandum [NAAM] #273, the highest level national security document,
as guidance for future Vietnam plans and policy. This brief directive
most significantly initiated changes reversing Kennedy's Vietnam
policy of NSAM #263, Oct 11, 1963. Kennedy had decreed then that "the
bulk of U.S. personnel would be out of Vietnam by the end of 1965."
Strangely, this NSAM #273, which began the change in Kennedy's policy
toward Vietnam, was drafted on Nov 21, 1963...the day before Kennedy
died. It was not Kennedy's policy. He would not have requested it, and
would not have signed it. Why would it have been drafted for his
signature on the day before he died; and why would it have been given
to Johnson so quickly? Johnson had not asked for it.
On Nov 21, 1963 Johnson had no expectation whatsoever of being President on
Nov 26th.
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Oh, but LBJ probably *did*, according to his mistress, Madeleine Brown!
Look on YouTube for her video explaining what she saw and heard directly
from Lyndon himself.
I did the work for you. Here it is, and go to 2:35 if you want to skip the
http://youtu.be/79lOKs0Kr_Y
"LBJ's Mistress Blows Whistle on JFK Assassination" (posted on Nov. 22,
2006)
"After tomorrow, those SOB's [the Kennedy's] will never embarrass me again.
That's not a threat, that's a promise!" --LBJ to Madeleine Brown, Nov. 21,
1963
===end
That would be pretty hot stuff if not for the fact that Madeline Brown has been
proven to be one of the flakes of history. In particular her story about the
big party at which LBJ whispered in her ear has been totally shot out of the
water. Do try to keep up Newsboy.

Bill Clarke
Post by News
On Nov 29, 1963, President Johnson met with J. Edgar Hoover, the FBI
Director, to discuss the list of names compiled for the commission to
Chief Justice Earl Warren, Chairman; Rep. Gerald R. Ford, R-Mi; Rep.
Hale Boggs, D-La; Sen. Richard B. Russell, D-Ga.; Sen. John Sherman
Cooper, R-Ky.; John J. McCloy, New York banker; Allen W. Dulles,
formerly Director of Central Intelligence, Sen. Jacob Javits, D-NY;
and General Lauris Norstad, U.S. Air Force. All were approved to serve
on the Commission, except the last two, who for reasons unknown did
not serve with that body.
Cont'd
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/proutyJFKmurderandLyndonJohnson.shtml
President Kennedy was removed after changing his mind on the Cold War.
He refused to invade Cuba during the Bay of Pigs debacle, refusing to
start nuclear war during the Cuban Missile Crisis (even though his
military advisors were demanding it), stopped atmospheric nuclear
testing and began the process to withdraw troops from Vietnam.
In his farewell address to the nation, President Eisenhower warned
that we should beware the unchecked power of the military-industrial
complex. This speech is one of the greatest in American history, and
prescient in understanding what was coming. Now, in 2005, the future
that Eisenhower warned about is the content of the daily news.
The removal of Kennedy (and later, of his brother on the threshold of
his victory in the Presidential campaign)
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Not sure that after winning California's primary on June 4, 1968, was Robert
actually "on the threshold" as it was too soon to declare that. He did have
a good chance of beating Humphrey, but we'll never know for sure one way or
the other who would have won that intra-party battle at the convention. It
would have been great theater and high ratings back in '68, that's for sure!
===end
Post by Raymond
led to the escalation of the
Vietnam war, Watergate, the 1980 "October Surprise," the Iran-Contra
scandals, BCCI, the invasion of Panama, Desert Storm (1991 war on
Iraq), allowing the 1993 attack on the World Trade Center, Oklahoma
City, the stolen election in Florida in 2000, 9/11 and the anthrax
attacks on the Democrats and the media, the invasions of Afghanistan
and Iraq, and the stolen 2004 Presidential election (to cite a few of
the many scandals since 1963). http://jahtruth.net/theiofk.htm
Cont'd
http://100777.com/node/1456
"there really are linkages between the murders of JFK, MLK, and RFK"
-- Representative Cynthia McKinney, September 14, 2002 reception for
the Congressional Black Caucus www.counterpunch.org/mckinney0918.html
As I ponder the future of America where voices of dissent are snuffed
out by selfishness and intolerance, I’m reminded of the words of Bobby
Kennedy, who we learned yesterday, was considering Martin Luther King,
Jr. as his Vice Presidential running mate.
Bobby Kennedy, truly a
great man who selflessly lived and died for his country, shaped an
entire generation with his thoughts, his words, and his deeds.
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As did his brother John, more so than Robert 5-7 years previously.
===end
And it was Bobby Kennedy who reminded us that: “The task of
leadership, the first task of concerned people, is not to condemn or
castigate, or deplore: it is to search out the reason for
disillusionment and alienation, the rationale of protest and
dissenta*”perhaps, indeed, to learn from it. And we may find, that we
learn most of all from those political and social dissenters whose
differences with us are most grave: for among the young, as among
adults, the sharpest criticism often goes hand in hand with the
deepest idealism and love of country.”
Goodbye to All That
by Rep. Cynthia McKinney
Stoop, Romans, stoop;
And let us bathe our hands in Caesar’s blood
Then walk we forth, even to the market-place,
And waving our red weapons o’er our heads,
Let’s all cry “Peace, freedom and liberty!”
And Cassius added,
Stoop then, and wash. How many ages hence
Shall this our lofty scene be acted over
In states unborn and accents yet unknown!
The President and the Press - Kennedy Warns America of New World Order
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=642552841321950688#
Who killed John F. Kennedy?
"If the people knew what we had done, they would chase us down the
street and lynch us."
---- George HW Bush
And you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free.
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