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Bob,
Why have you deliberately misspelled Amos Euins' last name about a
dozen times in your first post?
Hmm.. this is the first time I've ever been accused of a "deliberate"
mispelling:-)
I guess this is better than the truth, which is that I'm sloppy and
rarely bother to proofread posts to a forum like this:-)
Just curious.
Holland also lied when he said that all three of the men on the fifth
floor heard shells being ejected above them. Only Norman made that claim
and he was by far, the worst of the three witnesses, repeatedly
contradicting his original statements.
<snicker> How is Howard the "worst" witness when he is the one of the
three who was right about where the shots came from, corroborated by
both physical evidence and outside witnesses? The only useful bit of
information they could really supply (except where the limo was when
the shooting started), and the two you consider the better witnesses
got it wrong. This is why most CTers have no business looking into
this event, they can`t weigh evidence and have no aptitude for
investigation.
"where the limo was when the shooting started?
Right. The problem: The location of the limo, when the final head shot
occurred, was determined was the result of the investigators concluding
that Zapruders Bell and Howell was framing at 18-3 per second. It was
actually framing at 16 fps as it was designed to do with a full wind. Z
testified that it was fully wound.
(The Commission claimed 486 FRAMES DIVIDED BY 26.5 seconds of run time it
took to view = 18.339622 FRAMES PER SECOND).
If the camera was shooting at 16 frames per second instead of 18.3 you
must add 15% to the entire time which would change the time of everything
including the time between shots, the total time of the shots, the speed
of the limousine, the location of the car when JFK was hit in the head,
etc,. etc., making it more natural and reasonable
In December, of 1963, Lyndal L. Shaneyfelt, of the FBI, tested the
Zapruder, Nix and Munchmore cameras. "In the laboratory, film was exposed
in all three cameras, which were aimed and focused on a clock with a sweep
- second hand. We then ran the camera (projector) at the speed (?) and
conditions (?) as described by the people who used the cameras.
"We ran through several tests of the film and then AFTER THE FILM WAS
DEVELOPED, it was studied under magnification and frames were counted for
a period of 2 to 3 seconds or for the full running time and AVERAGES WERE
TAKEN."
"AVERAGES" the man said, an awful word. Nothing exact about average.
"The Zapruder camera was found to run at an AVERAGE SPEED of 18.3 frames
per second." Vol. 5, p, 159.
The Camera Owners Manuel, page 13, shows a shutter speed of 1/35 second
for the normal run time of 16 fps.
This is hardly the way that Zapruder filmed the motorcade Far too many
EXACT conclusions were determined based on this far from EXACT method of
testing "Z's" camera.
The "Z" camera was used ONCE AGAIN, in May of 1964, in the Dallas
reenactment, but it was not exclusively for the purpose of determining an
official record of frames per second filmed by the camera. In fact, the
18.3 result was used for another reason. Based on the calculations, the
locations, speeds and movements of the motorcade were arranged and placed.
It is amazing that, whenever Z's camera is mentioned, the fps figure is
always exactly 18.3. Yet, to arrive at this figure , wide variations in
testing methods were used and it was always determined to be AVERAGE. The
figures arrived at in the shooting sequence were not AVERAGE. The speed of
the limousine was not determined to be average. The word itself is
misleading.
The timing of the shots was determined from watching the Zapruder film and
timed from the showing of the film on a "rickety" old projector whose
speed had to be adjusted to view properly.
The camera "Z" was using was a Bell & Howell that framed at 16 frames per
second. When the FBI and the Secret Service viewed the film, it was
established that 18.3 pictures or frames were taken per second based on
the complete time used to show the film, and therefore, the timing of
certain events could be calculated by allowing 1/18.3 seconds for the
action depicted from one frame to the next..
Tests of the alleged assassin's rifle disclosed that at least 2.3 seconds
were required between shots. Remember that the first shot was already in
the breech and ready to fire.
Projectors at that time were not compatible with the speed of the B&H
which framed at 16 fps. Often, when watching a film, the viewer had to
make an adjustment on the projector's speed to be able to view the film
comfortably. This had nothing to do with the fps on the camera that
filmed the scene.
The compatible projector came later. The projector showed the film at the
same speed as the camera filmed. No adjustments on the projector has to be
made.
When 16 fps are used in the shooting of the short film, you must add 15%
to the entire time of the same events making it more than enough time to
fire three rounds at leisure.
Even the WC concluded that it was possible that only two shots were fired
at the motorcade from the TSBD despite the fact that three shell casings
were found on the floor of the building's sixth floor.
SEE Page 110-111 of the WC Report to the President
http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wr/html/WCReport_0067b.htm
Our topic has nothing to do with the width of the film (mm). We are
concerned with how many pictures (frames) per second can be photographed
as the moving film passes through the lens of the camera.
The HSCA did no such conversion from 8mm to 16mm. The Z film started out
as 16mm film and after processing, became 8mm.
The film used was - Kodachrome II daylight, ASA 25 8mm . The film is taken
up on the bottom spool of the camera and run for 25 ft., then the spool is
placed on the top and the procedure is repeated. After the second spool is
filmed, it is developed and cut down the middle and spliced, making it a
50 ft. film ready to be viewed. Additionally, leaders are added to the
ends of the roll.
Technically, Zapruder was incorrect when he said , " I shot one side of
the film and turned it over and then shot the other side." The subject
matter was filmed side by side (25 ft each) and the film ( still 16mm )
was split and spliced, making it 50 ft. of 8mm film.
I suggest that you (anyone) buy the video tape, Image Of An Assassination.
This entire process is much better explained than I am able to do.
Adding to what I have said thus far, I am so convinced that only two shots
were fired from the TSBD that I don't ever consider CE 399 in my analysis
of the shooting. For me the magic bullet is for folks to examine while on
tour through the National Archives.
"The Magic Bullet is like the Immaculate Conception. You either believe it
or you don't." ----Wm. F. Alexander, Ass't District Attorney, Dallas
County (1963).
The final conclusion of the Washington Wizards was that three shots were
fired; one shot missed completely; one shot hit Kennedy and Connally, and
the final shot hit JFK in the head. Using elementary reasoning: If the
bullet that hit JFK and JC became the near pristine bullet found at
Parkland, and one bullet missed the limo completely, how could anyone
possibly conclude that the fragments in the car came from any other shot
than the shot to the President's head?
WR claimed : "... two bullet fragments were found in the front of the
President's car....The bullet fragments weighed 44.6 and 21.0 grains
respectively. The heavier fragment was a portion of a bullet's nose area
as shown by its rounded contour and the character markings it bore. The
lighter fragment consisted of a bullet's base portion....
The two fragments were both mutilated and it was not possible to determine
from the fragments themselves whether they comprised the base and nose of
one bullet or of two separate bullets...." WR ,pp. 557-558.
Again: If one bullet missed the car, one was found complete with nose and
base at Parkland, and the final bullet hit the President's head, then we
must believe that the fragments in the car were from the same projectile
and it was the head shot.
I believe: There was NO missed shot. However, there was a "report" from
the Knoll that everyone believed was gunfire ( A diversion shot by Gene
Brading (Braden). probably.) But, not at the motorcade. A sound of gunfire
was necessary (from the knoll) to distract the crowd and the police, which
it did. This also gave our shooter time to exit the TSBD, Also, there had
to be a sound of gunfire for a planted intact bullet to be found later,
not necessarily at Parkland. And finally, an extra casing had to be found
near the rifle to account for the sound, on the knoll, and the Magic
bullet
No one planning to shoot the president could rely on the authorities
finding a bullet or fragments that could be traced to the weapon used to
put Jack in the box. Ergo, the magic bullet--- fired through soft tissue
or into a water tank - allowing the lands and grooves to be traceable to
the sixth floor rifle, that , with its altered serial number, could be
traced to the Marxist book filler.
The one man that is responsible for the theory that the Zapruder camera
was framing at 18.3 fps is Ronald Zavada, Consultant on Still and Motion
Imagery , who provided the ARRB with his opinion that, as a result of his
testing, the 18.3 fps should not be questioned again. But you must
research this man and his testing methods to determine the value of his "
bullshit." And you must be looking for the truth about the camera, the
projector, how the FBI determined the speed of Z's camera, and how Zavada
used "loop tests" to arrive at an average fps speed ( you must know what a
loop test is) to provide the already agreed 18.3 fps theory about the
Dallas shooting.
It's easy. just URL Zavada.
http://www.jfk-info.com/zreport.htm
However, if Zapruder's camera was framing at 16 fps, instead of 18.3
fps,15% would be added to the length of total time it took to fire three
shots --- plenty of time, especially considering the fact that the first
shot required no time since the shooter was already in position to fire
with a shell already chambered
In 1967 CBS News conducted a fairly realistic simulation involving eleven
expert riflemen firing at a moving target sled from a 60-foot tower using
a Carcano rifle (but not the alleged murder weapon itself). NOT ONE of
those expert riflemen scored two hits on his first attempt, and seven of
them failed to do so on ANY attempt, even though they fired under easier
conditions than those in which Oswald (ha ha) would have fired and even
though they were allowed to fire nine practice rounds prior to the test.
The WC's own rifle tests were equally revealing: The Commission hired
three Master-rated riflemen to attempt to duplicate Oswald's alleged
shooting feat. The three Master-rated shooters who participated in that
test fired 18 rounds while using the scope and three rounds while using
the iron sights. They used the alleged murder weapon, the
Mannlicher-Carcano that was traced to Lee Harvey Oswald. They missed the
head and neck area of the target board silhouettes 18 out of 18 times when
they used the scope, and two out of three times when they used the iron
sights. In other words, they missed the head and neck area of the
silhouettes 20 out of 21 times. Several of their misses were far apart on
the boards. Some of their shots missed the silhouettes entirely. It's
revealing that they shot so poorly even though they were allowed to take
as long as they wanted for the first shot, even though two of them took
longer than 6 seconds to fire, even though they were only firing from 30
feet up, and even though they were shooting at stationary--yes,
stationary--target boards.
Life is rather like a tin of sardines - we're all of us looking for
the key.
--- Alan Bennett
None of this will change history. The coup was a great success, the
president was removed from office as was planned. However, it makes for
interesting conversation and argument until the historians get around to
the truth. " Kennedy had to go."
He was a threat to too many people who had too much to lose if he had
remained alive. Camelot came later. Before Camelot, JFK was a hated
and dangerous man. Not to "Joe Six Pack, but to the military
industrial complex, the Federal Reserve, to the oil companies and to
others that Gen. Eisenhower warned us about ( no one listened)
More on the frames per second of 'Z's" camera ?
See.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.assassination.jfk.uncensored/msg/f8b9a6e0b74daca0?
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