Post by Anthony MarshPost by Martin ShackelfordThe "tramps" were led from a point two blocks south of Dealey Plaza back
along the tracks to the Plaza (perhaps for Bowers to identify them), and
then walked across to the Sheriff's office. In the course of that trip,
they passed many people, not just the character misidentified as Lansdale,
whom Fletcher Prouty purported to identify from the photo of the man from
behind. The man wasn't "walking with" the tramps--they simply passed by
him on the sidewalk. The men weren't "maybe arrested for killing the
president," they were arrested for vagrancy, for riding a freight train.
The reference to "two cops with guns" (standard in the area after the
assassination) is somewhat undermined by the fact that the "two cops" saw
no need to handcuff the three men. You attempt to turn this into cause for
suspicion--based, again, on nothing, but your own false assumption that
they were "maybe arrested for killing the president," for which no
evidence exists. When the Dallas Police Intelligence Division files,
released in the late 1980s by the Dallas City Council, were finally
examined by researchers Ray and Mary LaFountaine, the arrest reports of
the "tramps" were found and described (photocopies were later published by
Harrison Livingstone). I've seen nothing from any serious researcher
clinging to the "tramps" myths of the 1970s since reporters interviewed
the two surviving men and the families of all three. Those few who
continue to rail about E. Howard Hunt, Charles Harrelson/Frank Sturgis,
and several candidates for "Frenchy the tramp" do so without any valid
evidence. For a while, some took seriously the opinion of a forensic
artist named Lois Gibson, but she had no background in forensic
anthropology, a discipline which shattered the myths. Do you really
believe that the guy in charge of Operation Mongoose, appointed by JFK,
was loitering around Dealey Plaza on November 22, 1963, coordinating the
assassination of the man who had appointed him?
Correct except for the speculation at the end. It does not speak to
evidence. One can not rule him in or out just based on bias about what
you think would be typical or practical. Like the nonsense about Nixon,
we need to find evidence one way or the other. Either it was possible
for him to be in Dallas then or he is know to have been elsewhere. If it
was possible, then you can't just laugh it away. Then you'd need to deal
with specifics.
Chinese proverb:
"One who asks a question is a fool for five minutes; one who does not
ask a question remains a fool forever".
Nixon's Three Stories of Where He Was on November 22, 1963
In the first place, strange things which could scarcely all be coincidence
happened even before JFK was killed. On the morning of November 22, 1963,
the day Kennedy was killed the New York Times carried an item on a back
page, It was datelined Dallas. And it said that ex-Vice-President Richard
M. Nixon had made a speech in Dallas before a group of businessmen,
Not only did the Times carry that story on the very day JFK died, but
Nixon was in Dallas the day Kennedy died, and it is very possible that he
was still in Dallas at the moment Kennedy died. Despite all other reports
to the contrary. And of course the thing that makes this so very important
is that Nixon and others have for some reason tried to conceal that fact..
By itself, this would not be important. Being in Dallas on November 22nd.
1963 does not make just anyone. for example, Nixon, a murderer; but the
record of Nixon's visit to Dallas has been deliberately obscured. Let's
pick three "official" versions of Nixon's actions that day and see how
they compare and then what the differences may signify.
Story One
Not long after Kennedy was shot, Nixon wrote an unusually long article for
the Reader's Digest. It appeared in the November 1964 issue under the
strange title, "Cuba, Castro, and John F Kennedy." Prepared as it was by
Nixon or for his signature and prepared for the massive worldwide audience
of the August Reader's Digest, we are asked to believe that this is the
factual account of what took place. Nixon says
"I urged, in a statement to the press [ Dallas on November 21 that the
President and the vice-president be shown the respect to which their
office entitled them."
Nixon added,
"I boarded a plane in Dallas on the morning of November 22 to New York. We
arrived on schedule at 12:56. I hailed a cab. We were waiting for a light
to change when a man ran over from the street corner and said that the
President had just been shot in Dallas. This is the way that I learned the
news."
Story Two
Now let's look at another Nixon account of the same day The November
1973 issue of Esquire magazine carried the following Nixon quote;
"I attended the Pepsi Cola convention [ in Dallas ]and left on Friday
morning. November 22, from Love Field. Dallas, on a flight back to New
York , . . on arrival in New York we caught a cab and headed for the city
the cabbie missed a turn somewhere and we were off the highway . . . a
woman came out of her house screaming and crying. I rolled down the cab
window to ask what the matter was and when she saw my face she turned even
paler. She told me that John Kennedy had just been shot in Dallas,"
Story Three
Now let's look at the "official" account from "The Day Kennedy was
Shot, by Jim Bishop:"
"At Idlewild Airport now JFK Airport) in New York , reporters and
photographers had been waiting for the American Airlines plane among (the
passengers) was Nixon. As he got off the plane he thought that he would
give 'the boys' basically the same interview he had granted in Dallas .
Nixon posed for a few pictures . . . got into a taxi-cab was barely out of
the airport when one of the reporters got the message: The President has
been shot in Dallas."
Comparison
Now let's compare these. Nixon was in Dallas on November 22. The versions
agree that he took some plane out in the morning Bishop says it was
American Airlines and that it went into Idlewild. Nixon says that it
landed precisely at 12:56 nearly one half-hour after Kennedy had been
shot. Certainly the crew would have heard over their radio that the
president had been shot and would have told their passengers. Then Bishop
says reporters and photographers were there. Certainly they too would have
known about Kennedy's murder by then. Everyone else in the world did.
Bishop says the photographers took pictures. Where are they?
Nixon says he traveled to New York from Dallas with a friend. Who? And
what is his story?
Nixon says he got in a cab, presumably well after 12:56. What cabbie in
New York City would have not known the news by then? And then Nixon tells
a strange story. The first time a man ran out to the cab with the news,
and the second time the cab was "lost" and a woman ran out screaming and
crying the news. These different accounts do not hold water.
With all of this very contrived series of accounts it looks as though
someone has been fabricating a cover-up of Nixon's actions that day. Why?
The True Story
Actually, Nixon was in Dallas when JFK was shot. On April 2nd 1975 a young
man was listening to a talk at his school when he heard the lecturer tell
about the Esquire account of Nixon's trip to Dallas, and how and when
Nixon had learned about JFK's death. That young man then told the
lecturer, "My father was an executive for the Pepsi Cola Company, and he
was in Dallas on November 22nd 1963 at that convention. He has told me
that Nixon was there in Dallas at the convention when the announcement was
heard that JFK had been killed, Nixon left later that afternoon,"
This young man is the son of Mr. Harvey Russel of the Pepsi Cola Company.
When Mr. Russel was informed of his son's account, he agreed that his
son's story was true. Mr. Russel confirmed that Nixon was attending that
meeting at the time the shots were fired. He added Nixon was there
representing the Pepsi Cola Company's law firm Mudge, Rose, Nixon et al.
The Dallas newspapers stated that Nixon was attending a board meeting.
Mr. Russel confirmed that the session Nixon was attending broke up when
the assassination news came through. Nixon then returned to his hotel and
later in the afternoon had been driven to the Dallas airport by a Mr.
Deluca, also a Pepsi Cola official.
Nixon was registered at the Adolphus Hotel
These surprising series of events and the manner in which they unfolded
after all these years underscore that there was something unusual about
Nixon's visit to Dallas. Telephone calls to Deluca and again to Russel did
little more than highlight their growing concern over the inadvertent
disclosure of this story.
http://www.prouty.org/nixon.html
Post by Anthony MarshPost by Martin ShackelfordMartin
Post by Anthony MarshPost by t***@hotmail.comPost by YoHarveyPost by RaymondFamiliar Faces In Dealey Plaza
by Allan Eaglesham� & Martha Schallhorn�
This article was originally published in JFK Deep Politics Quarterly
Volume VI Number 1, October 2000, pages 28-35.
It's worth a look see.
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http://www.jfkresearch.com/faces.htm
Exactly why is it worth a look?
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Anthony - How was it debunked? You should read A Farewell to Justice
by Joan Mellen, and I wonder if you will trust anything the HSCA tells
you again?
I SHOULD read? Please don't tell me that I should read something when I
read it long before you did.
As far as I know, I am the ONLY critic who wrote a long detailed letter
to the HSCA pointing out their errors. All I ask is that you actually
read the HSCA report (online) and see that they debunked those ideas.
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Well excuse me! I don't have time to read everything that gets posted
on here as I work full time and go to uni part time, and I know you
are extemely well educated on this topic but funnily enough I don't
keep a list of who reads what book. I thought that was the whole point
of discussion forums like this one - people can ask questions and get
pointed in new or different directions. All I know is that those men
actually do look like the men the authors claim they might be (unlike
the tramps photos - what a joke) Lansdale (or the man walking by the
tramps) does have certain characteristics that are similar to
Lansdale, ie height, stoop and ring. I know it is just a "snapshot" in
time, but why would John Q citizen walk along a fence with three men
who have been arrested for maybe killing the president and two cops
with guns on the other side of him? Why would the police let "Joe
Bloe" get anywhere near men who have arrested in such suspicious
cirumstances? �John Q citizen doesn't even seem curious about the men
arrested. lansdale probrably did want the men to see him if they were
arrested to reassure them that it was ok. Makes sense to me.
Also, the police are as laissez fair about the "tramps" as all get
out. What did they know about the tramps that would make them so
unwary of them? Suspicious.
I will read more of the HSCA report, but just to save time for , in
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