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The Paper Bag Again
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Raymond
2012-02-07 06:29:58 UTC
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The Paper Bag Again

For those LN's who insist that LHO was the assassin of JFK and brought
the MC into the TSBD in a paper bag that he made:

You can argue that the murder weapon was already wrapped in paper
within the blanket and all that he had to do was to make a quick stop
in Ruth's barn , get the rifle out of the blanket and Hi Ho it to
Frazier's house and off to work they go.

Remember ?
He did not have to make a bag. Lee's Mannlicher-Carcano had been
wrapped in paper and placed in a "rustic" blanket in late September in
New Orleans, and transported by Ruth Paine and Marina Oswald to Texas
and the floor of the Paine's garage where it was observed and
maintained by the Paines until it was removed from the blanket (even
possibly) sometime before November 22, 1963.

On Friday, September 20, 1963, Ruth Paine arrived in New Orleans on
her way back to Dallas after a vacation in the east and mid-west. Ruth
planned on returning Marina to Dallas with her while Lee looked for
work in Houston. Ruth and her two children stayed the weekend with the
Oswalds and planned to leave for Texas on Monday, September 23. Lee
had packed all of their belongings and, on Monday, loaded Ruth's
station wagon for the trip.

So, the paper did not come from the TSBD since LHO was in New Orleans
and the rolls of wrapping paper in the TSBD were not available to him
until October.

Marina said that he practiced working the bolt while sitting on the
porch of their NO's apartment. So, it was unwrapped at that time.

Where did he acquire the paper while in NO's ?

In Priscilla Johnson McMillans book Marina and Lee (New York:
Harper&Row, 1977), the author describes the loading of the station
wagon as told to her by Marina Oswald:
"What she (Ruth) did not know was that among the items he was
loading with such care in her car was almost certainly his rifle,
wrapped in brown paper and a blanket and tied up in heavy
string..." (p.370)

And more:
"...When she was certain Ruth could not see her she crept into
the garage, to the place where Lee kept the rifle wrapped in paper
inside the heavy blanket, a green and brown wool blanket of East
German make that she had bought in Russia."
(p.429)

In Marina's conversation with the Warren Commission, she testified
that, while looking for crib parts, she opened the blanket only to see
the butt end of Lee's rifle. She was not asked if the rifle was
wrapped in paper. However, she was asked by General Counsel Rankin if
she ever saw the rifle in a paper cover. Marina answered " No." (Vol.
1,p.67) Today, with a better understanding of English, a
"paper cover"might elicit a different answer.

Mike Paine, who had moved the blanket in the garage more than once,
was asked by the Commission if he had the impression that there may
have been any paper inside the blanket. His answer:
No, I didn't have that impression nothing crinkled, no sound.
Mr. Liebeler: Was there any indication by the crinkling or
otherwise that there might be paper wrapped inside the blanket?

Mr. Paine: That's right.

Paine's vague answer, "That's right," did not satisfy Liebeler who
returned to the blanket and how it was wrapped. Confused, Paine said,
"I can't remember how it was wrapped at this end because I could grab
my hand around the PAPER whereas this end, I think it was folded
over."
(Vol. IX, p.439)

Nuff said. ?
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2018-01-12 01:34:02 UTC
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Post by Raymond
The Paper Bag Again
For those LN's who insist that LHO was the assassin of JFK and brought
You can argue that the murder weapon was already wrapped in paper
within the blanket and all that he had to do was to make a quick stop
in Ruth's barn , get the rifle out of the blanket and Hi Ho it to
Frazier's house and off to work they go.
Remember ?
He did not have to make a bag. Lee's Mannlicher-Carcano had been
wrapped in paper and placed in a "rustic" blanket in late September in
New Orleans, and transported by Ruth Paine and Marina Oswald to Texas
and the floor of the Paine's garage where it was observed and
maintained by the Paines until it was removed from the blanket (even
possibly) sometime before November 22, 1963.
On Friday, September 20, 1963, Ruth Paine arrived in New Orleans on
her way back to Dallas after a vacation in the east and mid-west. Ruth
planned on returning Marina to Dallas with her while Lee looked for
work in Houston. Ruth and her two children stayed the weekend with the
Oswalds and planned to leave for Texas on Monday, September 23. Lee
had packed all of their belongings and, on Monday, loaded Ruth's
station wagon for the trip.
So, the paper did not come from the TSBD since LHO was in New Orleans
and the rolls of wrapping paper in the TSBD were not available to him
until October.
Marina said that he practiced working the bolt while sitting on the
porch of their NO's apartment. So, it was unwrapped at that time.
Where did he acquire the paper while in NO's ?
Harper&Row, 1977), the author describes the loading of the station
"What she (Ruth) did not know was that among the items he was
loading with such care in her car was almost certainly his rifle,
wrapped in brown paper and a blanket and tied up in heavy
string..." (p.370)
"...When she was certain Ruth could not see her she crept into
the garage, to the place where Lee kept the rifle wrapped in paper
inside the heavy blanket, a green and brown wool blanket of East
German make that she had bought in Russia."
(p.429)
In Marina's conversation with the Warren Commission, she testified
that, while looking for crib parts, she opened the blanket only to see
the butt end of Lee's rifle. She was not asked if the rifle was
wrapped in paper. However, she was asked by General Counsel Rankin if
she ever saw the rifle in a paper cover. Marina answered " No." (Vol.
1,p.67) Today, with a better understanding of English, a
"paper cover"might elicit a different answer.
Mike Paine, who had moved the blanket in the garage more than once,
was asked by the Commission if he had the impression that there may
No, I didn't have that impression nothing crinkled, no sound.
Mr. Liebeler: Was there any indication by the crinkling or
otherwise that there might be paper wrapped inside the blanket?
Mr. Paine: That's right.
Paine's vague answer, "That's right," did not satisfy Liebeler who
returned to the blanket and how it was wrapped. Confused, Paine said,
"I can't remember how it was wrapped at this end because I could grab
my hand around the PAPER whereas this end, I think it was folded
over."
(Vol. IX, p.439)
Nuff said. ?
Your point? The paper bag was matched to paper used at the TSBD. Oswald no doubt decided to kill JFK on Thurs. Nov. 21 when told about the motorcaid to go past the next day. Being a skinflint and a kind of MacGyver minimalist at getting maximal results with the absolute minimum of material, he went home that night (unusually early, as he usually did this on a Friday) with W.B.Frazier, saying he needed to get curtain rods for his apartment. A minimal lie which would cover the long package he EXPECTED TO HAVE the next morning. He no doubt took a lot of folded paper and some tape home with him from the TSBD, and made up the rifle package in the garage that night with it.

Clearly he went home on Thursday, just to retrieve the rifle. Had he planned the assassination before that Monday, he wouldn't have had to make an extra trip home, which was surely a hassle. He could simply have brought the rifle on Monday AM, Nov. 18, and let it cool in a hiding spot in the TSBD for five days.

For those who think Oswald was a patsy with real curtain rods, he wasn't a window-treatment kind of guy, to say the least (save that for David Ferrie). Nor did his window need curtain rods. It already had them, and had the same ones it always had, according to Roberts.

Oswald's excuse was unusually lame, as even if Oswald had needed curtain rods and had some new and exciting ones, he was the kind of efficiency-of-action guy to have waited till a Monday when he normally went to Oak Cliff in the evening, for the first time after a weekend at Irving. Doing it Friday for installation the NEXT Monday (since he went home with Frazier from the TSBD on Friday evenings anyway) was particularly bizarre. If he was going to leave curtain rods in the TSBD over the weekend anyway, why make a special trip to bring them into Dallas on a Friday? If he was going to stay over the weekend, perhaps to fondle his new curtain rods, why not tell Frazier this, so Frazier would NOT be expecting to bring him back to Irvine, as usual for a Friday, that night after work? He had stayed in Oak Cliff for a weekend once before. Frazier was used to being told he wouldn't be going back on a weekend when Oswald wasn't going back. Again, Oswald was not a type to waste money on bus fare if there was ANY alternative.
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