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Was JFK a Socialist???
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Raymond
2012-01-07 04:09:12 UTC
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Was JFK a Socialist???

“Democracy and socialism have nothing in common but one word,
equality. ."
-- Alexis de Tocqueville
..
I know it's hard to put just one label on JFK - and if we were only
allowed ONE, then it wouldn't be affiliated with politics. But when
narrowed to the criteria of politics, I'm sticking with my opinion
that JFK was a "socialist" in the purest sense. See ORWELL'S
DEMOCRATIC SOCIALISM and ORWELL ANTI-LEFT & RIGHT and LEFT, RIGHT &
SOCIALISM

JFK wasn't against free enterprise - and neither are true socialists -
but he was against exploitation of workers by capitalism AND communism
- both of which are systems where there is no middle class - just the
haves and the have-nots - the rich and the poor. JFK was loved by the
working class, both union and non-union members. See JFK'S RIGHT-TO-
WORK SPEECH and JFK DEFENDED DOLLAR and JFK & FEDERAL RESERVE

http://www.orwelltoday.com/jfksocialism.shtml

John F. Kennedy on taxes
By KraZyKat
Sticking with the issues...maybe Obama should heed the advice of JFK.

Note: The following quotes are published in the book, "The Interesting
History of Income Tax," by William J. Federer (Amerisearch, Inc., P.O.
Box 20163, St. Louis, MO 63123, 1-888-USA-WORD)

"It is a paradoxical truth that tax rates are too high and tax
revenues are too low and the soundest way to raise the revenues in the
long run is to cut the rates now ... Cutting taxes now is not to incur
a budget deficit, but to achieve the more prosperous, expanding
economy which can bring a budget surplus."
– John F. Kennedy, Nov. 20, 1962, president's news conference
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"Lower rates of taxation will stimulate economic activity and so raise
the levels of personal and corporate income as to yield within a few
years an increased – not a reduced – flow of revenues to the federal
government."
– John F. Kennedy, Jan. 17, 1963, annual budget message to the
Congress, fiscal year 1964
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"In today's economy, fiscal prudence and responsibility call for tax
reduction even if it temporarily enlarges the federal deficit – why
reducing taxes is the best way open to us to increase revenues."
– John F. Kennedy, Jan. 21, 1963, annual message to the Congress: "The
Economic Report Of The President"
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"It is no contradiction – the most important single thing we can do to
stimulate investment in today's economy is to raise consumption by
major reduction of individual income tax rates."
– John F. Kennedy, Jan. 21, 1963, annual message to the Congress: "The
Economic Report Of The President"
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"Our tax system still siphons out of the private economy too large a
share of personal and business purchasing power and reduces the
incentive for risk, investment and effort – thereby aborting our
recoveries and stifling our national growth rate."
– John F. Kennedy, Jan. 24, 1963, message to Congress on tax reduction
and reform, House Doc. 43, 88th Congress, 1st Session.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"A tax cut means higher family income and higher business profits and
a balanced federal budget. Every taxpayer and his family will have
more money left over after taxes for a new car, a new home, new
conveniences, education and investment. Every businessman can keep a
higher percentage of his profits in his cash register or put it to
work expanding or improving his business, and as the national income
grows, the federal government will ultimately end up with more
revenues."
– John F. Kennedy, Sept. 18, 1963, radio and television address to the
nation on tax-reduction bill

http://swampbubbles.com/bubble/john-f-kennedy-taxes

Socialism in America is alive, well, and growing. in the U.S. we've
long had “socialized” public education and many other socialist
practices

Creeping socialism is alive and well in the world today. The United
States of America is not a declared socialist nation but it is moving
in that direction

http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/janak/050220

Cynthia A. Janak
March 22, 2005

Socialism is alive and well in America. Patriots to socialism
http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/janak/050322

Socialism in America
Be aware that socialism is alive and well in the US. ...

Socialism in America is alive, well, and growing. Aided by such
influential Congressmen as John Conyers, Ranking Member of the House
Judicial Committee, David Bonior, the pit-bull-dog who successfully
whipped Newt, Maxine Waters, the President's outspoken defender in the
impeachment debates, and nearly 60 other Representatives, socialism is
advancing in America behind the "Progressive" label. Here are a few
excerpts taken directly from the web page of the Democratic Socialists
of America. (Italicized emphasis provided)

http://sovereignty.net/center/socialists.htm

The economic anarchy of capitalist society as it exists today is, in
my opinion, the real source of the evil. We see before us a huge
community of producers the members of which are unceasingly striving
to deprive each other of the fruits of their collective labor—not by
force, but on the whole in faithful compliance with legally
established rules. In this respect, it is important to realize that
the means of production—that is to say, the entire productive capacity
that is needed for producing consumer goods as well as additional
capital goods—may legally be, and for the most part are, the private
property of individuals.

Private capital tends to become concentrated in few hands, partly
because of competition among the capitalists, and partly because
technological development and the increasing division of labor
encourage the formation of larger units of production at the expense
of smaller ones. The result of these developments is an oligarchy of
private capital the enormous power of which cannot be effectively
checked even by a democratically organized political society. This is
true since the members of legislative bodies are selected by political
parties, largely financed or otherwise influenced by private
capitalists who, for all practical purposes, separate the electorate
from the legislature. The consequence is that the representatives of
the people do not in fact sufficiently protect the interests of the
underprivileged sections of the population. Moreover, under existing
conditions, private capitalists inevitably control, directly or
indirectly, the main sources of information (press, radio, education).
It is thus extremely difficult, and indeed in most cases quite
impossible, for the individual citizen to come to objective
conclusions and to make intelligent use of his political rights.

Albert Einstein - "Why Socialism?" (1 of 2)

http://monthlyreview.org/2009/05/01/why-socialism
Jason Burke
2012-01-07 04:42:41 UTC
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Post by Raymond
Was JFK a Socialist???
Yes. But who cares? It was STILL LHO from the the TBD with the MC.
Post by Raymond
“Democracy and socialism have nothing in common but one word,
equality. ."
-- Alexis de Tocqueville
..
I know it's hard to put just one label on JFK - and if we were only
allowed ONE, then it wouldn't be affiliated with politics. But when
narrowed to the criteria of politics, I'm sticking with my opinion
that JFK was a "socialist" in the purest sense. See ORWELL'S
DEMOCRATIC SOCIALISM and ORWELL ANTI-LEFT& RIGHT and LEFT, RIGHT&
SOCIALISM
JFK wasn't against free enterprise - and neither are true socialists -
but he was against exploitation of workers by capitalism AND communism
- both of which are systems where there is no middle class - just the
haves and the have-nots - the rich and the poor. JFK was loved by the
working class, both union and non-union members. See JFK'S RIGHT-TO-
WORK SPEECH and JFK DEFENDED DOLLAR and JFK& FEDERAL RESERVE
http://www.orwelltoday.com/jfksocialism.shtml
John F. Kennedy on taxes
By KraZyKat
Sticking with the issues...maybe Obama should heed the advice of JFK.
Note: The following quotes are published in the book, "The Interesting
History of Income Tax," by William J. Federer (Amerisearch, Inc., P.O.
Box 20163, St. Louis, MO 63123, 1-888-USA-WORD)
"It is a paradoxical truth that tax rates are too high and tax
revenues are too low and the soundest way to raise the revenues in the
long run is to cut the rates now ... Cutting taxes now is not to incur
a budget deficit, but to achieve the more prosperous, expanding
economy which can bring a budget surplus."
– John F. Kennedy, Nov. 20, 1962, president's news conference
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"Lower rates of taxation will stimulate economic activity and so raise
the levels of personal and corporate income as to yield within a few
years an increased – not a reduced – flow of revenues to the federal
government."
– John F. Kennedy, Jan. 17, 1963, annual budget message to the
Congress, fiscal year 1964
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"In today's economy, fiscal prudence and responsibility call for tax
reduction even if it temporarily enlarges the federal deficit – why
reducing taxes is the best way open to us to increase revenues."
– John F. Kennedy, Jan. 21, 1963, annual message to the Congress: "The
Economic Report Of The President"
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"It is no contradiction – the most important single thing we can do to
stimulate investment in today's economy is to raise consumption by
major reduction of individual income tax rates."
– John F. Kennedy, Jan. 21, 1963, annual message to the Congress: "The
Economic Report Of The President"
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"Our tax system still siphons out of the private economy too large a
share of personal and business purchasing power and reduces the
incentive for risk, investment and effort – thereby aborting our
recoveries and stifling our national growth rate."
– John F. Kennedy, Jan. 24, 1963, message to Congress on tax reduction
and reform, House Doc. 43, 88th Congress, 1st Session.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"A tax cut means higher family income and higher business profits and
a balanced federal budget. Every taxpayer and his family will have
more money left over after taxes for a new car, a new home, new
conveniences, education and investment. Every businessman can keep a
higher percentage of his profits in his cash register or put it to
work expanding or improving his business, and as the national income
grows, the federal government will ultimately end up with more
revenues."
– John F. Kennedy, Sept. 18, 1963, radio and television address to the
nation on tax-reduction bill
http://swampbubbles.com/bubble/john-f-kennedy-taxes
Socialism in America is alive, well, and growing. in the U.S. we've
long had “socialized” public education and many other socialist
practices
Creeping socialism is alive and well in the world today. The United
States of America is not a declared socialist nation but it is moving
in that direction
http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/janak/050220
Cynthia A. Janak
March 22, 2005
Socialism is alive and well in America. Patriots to socialism
http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/janak/050322
Socialism in America
Be aware that socialism is alive and well in the US. ...
Socialism in America is alive, well, and growing. Aided by such
influential Congressmen as John Conyers, Ranking Member of the House
Judicial Committee, David Bonior, the pit-bull-dog who successfully
whipped Newt, Maxine Waters, the President's outspoken defender in the
impeachment debates, and nearly 60 other Representatives, socialism is
advancing in America behind the "Progressive" label. Here are a few
excerpts taken directly from the web page of the Democratic Socialists
of America. (Italicized emphasis provided)
http://sovereignty.net/center/socialists.htm
The economic anarchy of capitalist society as it exists today is, in
my opinion, the real source of the evil. We see before us a huge
community of producers the members of which are unceasingly striving
to deprive each other of the fruits of their collective labor—not by
force, but on the whole in faithful compliance with legally
established rules. In this respect, it is important to realize that
the means of production—that is to say, the entire productive capacity
that is needed for producing consumer goods as well as additional
capital goods—may legally be, and for the most part are, the private
property of individuals.
Private capital tends to become concentrated in few hands, partly
because of competition among the capitalists, and partly because
technological development and the increasing division of labor
encourage the formation of larger units of production at the expense
of smaller ones. The result of these developments is an oligarchy of
private capital the enormous power of which cannot be effectively
checked even by a democratically organized political society. This is
true since the members of legislative bodies are selected by political
parties, largely financed or otherwise influenced by private
capitalists who, for all practical purposes, separate the electorate
from the legislature. The consequence is that the representatives of
the people do not in fact sufficiently protect the interests of the
underprivileged sections of the population. Moreover, under existing
conditions, private capitalists inevitably control, directly or
indirectly, the main sources of information (press, radio, education).
It is thus extremely difficult, and indeed in most cases quite
impossible, for the individual citizen to come to objective
conclusions and to make intelligent use of his political rights.
Albert Einstein - "Why Socialism?" (1 of 2)
http://youtu.be/boNKRb-aNnM
http://monthlyreview.org/2009/05/01/why-socialism
aeffects
2012-01-07 08:52:29 UTC
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Post by Raymond
Was JFK a Socialist???
Yes. But who cares? It was STILL LHO from the the TBD with the MC.
love it when you bring your wetdreams to the table.... rotflmfao!
Jason Burke
2012-01-08 16:47:35 UTC
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Post by aeffects
Post by Jason Burke
Post by Raymond
Was JFK a Socialist???
Yes. But who cares? It was STILL LHO from the the TBD with the MC.
love it when you bring your wetdreams to the table.... rotflmfao!
Ah the ol' sure sign of the twelve year old mental capacity, the old
rotflmfao.

wgroom
2012-01-07 18:36:33 UTC
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Post by Raymond
Was JFK a Socialist???
No, but the people who had him done in accused him of that, and in the
name of isms were more capitalistic globalists which means control
over people no matter which way you try to identify it.

wg
Post by Raymond
“Democracy and socialism have nothing in common but one word,
equality. ."
-- Alexis de Tocqueville
..
I know it's hard to put just one label on JFK - and if we were only
allowed ONE, then it wouldn't be affiliated with politics. But when
narrowed to the criteria of politics, I'm sticking with my opinion
that JFK was a "socialist" in the purest sense. See ORWELL'S
DEMOCRATIC SOCIALISM and ORWELL ANTI-LEFT & RIGHT and LEFT, RIGHT &
SOCIALISM
JFK wasn't against free enterprise - and neither are true socialists -
but he was against exploitation of workers by capitalism AND communism
- both of which are systems where there is no middle class - just the
haves and the have-nots - the rich and the poor. JFK was loved by the
working class, both union and non-union members. See JFK'S RIGHT-TO-
WORK SPEECH and JFK DEFENDED DOLLAR and JFK & FEDERAL RESERVE
http://www.orwelltoday.com/jfksocialism.shtml
John F. Kennedy on taxes
By KraZyKat
Sticking with the issues...maybe Obama should heed the advice of JFK.
Note: The following quotes are published in the book, "The Interesting
History of Income Tax," by William J. Federer (Amerisearch, Inc., P.O.
Box 20163, St. Louis, MO 63123, 1-888-USA-WORD)
"It is a paradoxical truth that tax rates are too high and tax
revenues are too low and the soundest way to raise the revenues in the
long run is to cut the rates now ... Cutting taxes now is not to incur
a budget deficit, but to achieve the more prosperous, expanding
economy which can bring a budget surplus."
– John F. Kennedy, Nov. 20, 1962, president's news conference
---------------------------------------------------------------------------­-----
"Lower rates of taxation will stimulate economic activity and so raise
the levels of personal and corporate income as to yield within a few
years an increased – not a reduced – flow of revenues to the federal
government."
– John F. Kennedy, Jan. 17, 1963, annual budget message to the
Congress, fiscal year 1964
---------------------------------------------------------------------------­-----
"In today's economy, fiscal prudence and responsibility call for tax
reduction even if it temporarily enlarges the federal deficit – why
reducing taxes is the best way open to us to increase revenues."
– John F. Kennedy, Jan. 21, 1963, annual message to the Congress: "The
Economic Report Of The President"
---------------------------------------------------------------------------­-----
"It is no contradiction – the most important single thing we can do to
stimulate investment in today's economy is to raise consumption by
major reduction of individual income tax rates."
– John F. Kennedy, Jan. 21, 1963, annual message to the Congress: "The
Economic Report Of The President"
---------------------------------------------------------------------------­-----
"Our tax system still siphons out of the private economy too large a
share of personal and business purchasing power and reduces the
incentive for risk, investment and effort – thereby aborting our
recoveries and stifling our national growth rate."
– John F. Kennedy, Jan. 24, 1963, message to Congress on tax reduction
and reform, House Doc. 43, 88th Congress, 1st Session.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------­-----
"A tax cut means higher family income and higher business profits and
a balanced federal budget. Every taxpayer and his family will have
more money left over after taxes for a new car, a new home, new
conveniences, education and investment. Every businessman can keep a
higher percentage of his profits in his cash register or put it to
work expanding or improving his business, and as the national income
grows, the federal government will ultimately end up with more
revenues."
– John F. Kennedy, Sept. 18, 1963, radio and television address to the
nation on tax-reduction bill
http://swampbubbles.com/bubble/john-f-kennedy-taxes
Socialism in America is alive, well, and growing.  in the U.S. we've
long had “socialized” public education and many other socialist
practices
Creeping socialism is alive and well in the world today. The United
States of America is not a declared socialist nation but it is moving
in that direction
http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/janak/050220
Cynthia A. Janak
March 22, 2005
Socialism is alive and well in America. Patriots to socialismhttp://www.renewamerica.com/columns/janak/050322
Socialism in America
Be aware that socialism is alive and well in the US. ...
Socialism in America is alive, well, and growing. Aided by such
influential Congressmen as John Conyers, Ranking Member of the House
Judicial Committee, David Bonior, the pit-bull-dog who successfully
whipped Newt, Maxine Waters, the President's outspoken defender in the
impeachment debates, and nearly 60 other Representatives, socialism is
advancing in America behind the "Progressive" label. Here are a few
excerpts taken directly from the web page of the Democratic Socialists
of America. (Italicized emphasis provided)
http://sovereignty.net/center/socialists.htm
The economic anarchy of capitalist society as it exists today is, in
my opinion, the real source of the evil. We see before us a huge
community of producers the members of which are unceasingly striving
to deprive each other of the fruits of their collective labor—not by
force, but on the whole in faithful compliance with legally
established rules. In this respect, it is important to realize that
the means of production—that is to say, the entire productive capacity
that is needed for producing consumer goods as well as additional
capital goods—may legally be, and for the most part are, the private
property of individuals.
Private capital tends to become concentrated in few hands, partly
because of competition among the capitalists, and partly because
technological development and the increasing division of labor
encourage the formation of larger units of production at the expense
of smaller ones. The result of these developments is an oligarchy of
private capital the enormous power of which cannot be effectively
checked even by a democratically organized political society. This is
true since the members of legislative bodies are selected by political
parties, largely financed or otherwise influenced by private
capitalists who, for all practical purposes, separate the electorate
from the legislature. The consequence is that the representatives of
the people do not in fact sufficiently protect the interests of the
underprivileged sections of the population. Moreover, under existing
conditions, private capitalists inevitably control, directly or
indirectly, the main sources of information (press, radio, education).
It is thus extremely difficult, and indeed in most cases quite
impossible, for the individual citizen to come to objective
conclusions and to make intelligent use of his political rights.
Albert Einstein - "Why Socialism?" (1 of

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