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I think Oswald was to shoot Kennedy and started to, but then he heard
other shots and saw the murder, THEN he knew that something was up and
that could be why he left his job and went home and got a gun. Those
shots - two almost simultaneously could not be done be one man.
Can you please explain what lead you to this belief?
I'm not saying that you are wrong; my personal belief is that the evidence
is inconclusive so your theory is as valid as anyone else's as far as I am
concerned, but I would be interested to know why you have come to this
conclusion. I am really interested in why people have strong beliefs.
(I also suspect that is one of the reasons that Dr McAdams has for running
this forum but I have no evidence to support this - how's that for a
conspiracy theory, Dr McAdams?.)
Well, my theory comes from the two shots on top of each other. That alone
let's you know that there were two shooter. Oswald may have shot or tried
to shot and maybe that was the shot that missed, then the professional
killer finished the job from there. Oswald knew then that he did not fire
the fatal shots so he knew that he had to break the hell out of there.
Some say that Oswald was innocent, but I think that he was involved but
thought that he was a big player and an important man. Maybe when the
government tells us everything about this very mysterious L.H. Oswald,
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Thanks. Your theory doesn't sound unreasonable.
I agree that Oswald is a mysterious character.
I also think that several organisations, in a effort to cover
themselves, have tampered with and destroyed evidence, so we will
probably never know.
One amazing thing that I cannot get over is that this was regarded as
a murder investigation, a matter for the DPD. Why did the CIA not
step in and say it may be an act of war from the outset? The DPD was
Because that would mean WWIII and the deaths of 40 million Americans.
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used to handling non-organised crimes and there modus operandi was not
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Yeuhd and yourself make very good points; it still rankles in my mind
that this was treated as a routine murder investigation. Weird!
Out of interest, Mr Marsh, may I put upon you a bit more and ask where
can I find details on this stranger in the TSBD, please?
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Subject: THE TSBD AND THE OLD "STRANGER"
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It is generally thought, by most, that there were no confirmed reports of
any "strangers" having been present in the TSBD at any time on November
22, 1963, prior to the shooting at 12:30 P.M. Indeed, many Lone Nut
adherents often point this fact out. The only problem is that this is
untrue. Danny Arce was a young co-worker of Lee Harvey Oswald's at the
TSBD in November, 1963. He worked with the floor laying crew, first, on
the 5th floor,and then, by November 22nd, on the 6th floor. Arce gave
testimony to the Warren Commission. His questioner was Joseph Ball. During
his testimony, Arce related an incident which occured shortly before the
Mr. ARCE. I helped this old man, this gentleman in there.
Mr. BALL. You saw an old man?
Mr. ARCE. Yeah.
Mr. BALL. Where?
Mr. ARCE. Right in front of the Texas School Book Depository.
Mr. BALL. When?
Mr. ARCE. Right, you know, it was before it happened; I don't know.
Mr. BALL. How long before the President went by?
Mr. ARCE. I don't know. I think it was about 10 minutes, some place around
there, 15 minutes; I'm not too sure.
Mr. BALL. What about the old man; what was noticeable about him?
Mr. ARCE. Well, he said he had kidney trouble, could I direct him to the
men's room and I said I would and I helped him up the steps and walked him
into the restroom and I opened the door for him and that's when I went
to eat my lunch and then I seen him walk out.
Mr. BALL. Did you see him talk to anyone in there?
Mr. ARCE. No; he went straight out.
Mr. BALL. Was he in a car?
Mr. ARCE. Yeah, after I went outside I seen him driving out in a black car.
Mr. BALL. He drove away?
Mr. ARCE. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Did you ever see him again?
Mr. ARCE. No, never seen him again.
There are several things worth noting about Arce's account. First, this
was indeed an apparent stranger, as Arce had no idea who he was. Second,
the reason that the man gave for wanting to enter the TSBD was "kidney
trouble". So then, was it just a "coincidence" that this "old man" just
happened to single out the TSBD as his potential source for relief?
Indeed, what was this old fellow even doing in Dealey Plaza? One might say
that this is a rather ridiculous question, for crowds were then gathering
to watch the President's motorcade, and many "strangers" were settling
into Dealy Plaza to view it. However, there is a very curious aspect to
Arce's account, and it strongly hints that this old gentleman's purpose
for being in Dealey Plaza was clearly *NOT* to watch the motorcade. For
Arce was certain that shortly after leaving the Depository, he saw this
man drive away in a black car, and he never saw him return to the area to
view the parade. So we now have a stranger, with full access to a car, and
therefore with the ability to stop at virtually any nearby service station
in order to relieve himself, instead opting to park in Dealey Plaza for no
apparent reason, (after all, he drove away immediately upon exiting the
Depository, and had no apparent desire to take in the Presidential parade)
and choose the TSBD, of all places and buildings, to relieve himself.
Coincidence? Well, perhaps. But this incident apparently occured during a
very crucial time frame, both in terms of the assassination itself, and with
respect to the surmised actions of Lee Harvey Oswald. Carolyn Arnold claimed
to have seen Oswald on a lower floor at approximately 12:15, having his
Arce claimed that his encounter with the old stranger happened around the
same time. Could this fellow have been a handler, or contact, of Oswald's?
Could it have been pre-arranged for Oswald to meet with him around this
time for further instructions? Could Lee Harvey Oswald have, in fact, been
in or near that rest room when the stranger entered the TSBD? It would
have been vital, of course, if Oswald was the pre-ordained 'patsy" to keep
him out of sight during the shooting, rather than rely upon sheer luck.
Could the old stranger have told Oswald to sit tight for a few minutes,
out of sight, until he returned, only to speed away and leave Lee hanging
at 12:30? All speculation of course. But at least we do know that, for a
brief time before the actual shooting, there was indeed at least one
stranger present in the TSBD that day.
O.H. LEE (***@aol.com)
"Don't believe the so-called evidence."
Lee Harvey Oswald to his brother Robert
Saturday, November 23, 1963
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