JFK didn't want to go to Texas: flatly contradicting Gov.

[Raymond]

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Sen. George Smathers (D-FL), one of JFK's best friends, said JFK told him he
didn't want to go to Texas but he said he had to--because of Johnson's
insistence.
Gov. John Connally, recollected the opposite in stark contrast: saying it
was JFK's idea to go to Texas.
I don't believe Connally's version in the slightest from what I've read, and
Sen. Smathers corroborates that view. This throws further suspicion on
Connally as being part of the conspiracy.
"Sen. George Smathers (D-Fla) flew back to Washington with President Kennedy
from Florida on the weekend before the assassination. He recalls the
President making comments like "I don't really want to go to Texas" and "I
wish I could get out of it". These comments are in contrast to the
recollection of Texas Governor John B. Connally, who said on another video
that the Texas trip was JFK's idea."

Kennedy wanted to go to Texas

A presidential visit to the state of Texas was first agreed upon by
Lyndon B. Johnson, his vice president and Texas native, and by Texas
Governor John Connally while all three men were together in a meeting
in El Paso, Texas on June 5, 1963.[1] (In 1978 Connally testified to
the House Select Committee on Assassinations that in the spring of
1962 "Vice President Johnson told me then that President Kennedy
WANTED to come to Texas, he wanted to come to Texas to raise some
money, have some fund-raising affairs over the State.")

President Kennedy later decided to embark on the trip with three basic
goals in mind: the president wanted to help raise more Democratic
Party presidential campaign fund contributions;[1] he wanted to begin
his quest for reelection in November 1964;[2] and, because the Kennedy-
Johnson ticket had barely won Texas in 1960 (and had even lost in
Dallas), President Kennedy wanted to help mend political fences among
several leading Texas Democratic party members who appeared to be
fighting politically amongst themselves.[3]

President Kennedy's trip to Dallas was first announced to the public
in September 1963.[4] The exact motorcade route was finalized on
November 18 and announced to the public a few days before November 22.
[5]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_John_F._Kennedy_assassination

Why JFK went to Texas
http://www.acorn.net/jfkplace/09/fp.back_issues/32nd_Issue/jfk_texas.html

[Gil Jesus]

Post by Raymond
Kennedy wanted to go to Texas

Sure he did.

Sorensen: JFK was "Implored to come to Texas"

Smathers : JFK didn't really want to go to Texas
http://youtu.be/yFa_S3YEjMQ

[Raymond]

Post by Gil Jesus

Post by Raymond
Kennedy wanted to go to Texas

Sure he did.
Sorensen: JFK was "Implored to come to http://youtu.be/KiMCd-iSndo
Smathers : JFK didn't really want to go to http://youtu.be/yFa_S3YEjMQ

Gil, you are correct. Kennedy did not WANT to go to Texas. That was a
bad choice of words.
However, he did go and he was not forced to go. In the end , he did
want to go. He felt that he needed the help from many Texans and that
the trip was the way to do it.
-- Raymond

[bigdog]

Post by Gil Jesus

Post by Raymond
Kennedy wanted to go to Texas

Sure he did.
Sorensen: JFK was "Implored to come to http://youtu.be/KiMCd-iSndo
Smathers : JFK didn't really want to go to http://youtu.be/yFa_S3YEjMQ

Gil,  you are correct. Kennedy did not WANT to go to Texas. That was a
bad choice of words.
However, he did go and he was not forced to go. In the end , he did
want to go. He felt that he needed the help from many Texans and that
the trip was the way to do it.
--  Raymond

Whether JFK wanted to go to Texas or felt it was important to his re-
election bid to go to Texas, the point is it was his choice to go to
Texas. The last time a sitting POTUS was forced to do something
against his will was when SCOTUS made Nixon release the tapes. People
can ask a POTUS to do something, but the final call is his an his
alone. Given the narrow margin of his Electoral College win in 1960,
he couldn't allow the Republicans to flip that state into their column
in 1964. The decision to go to Texas wasn't nearly as devastating as
the choice to ride through the streets in an open top car. That was
the decision that cost JFK his life.

[News]

Post by Gil Jesus

Post by Raymond
Kennedy wanted to go to Texas

Sure he did.
Sorensen: JFK was "Implored to come to
http://youtu.be/KiMCd-iSndo
Smathers : JFK didn't really want to go to
http://youtu.be/yFa_S3YEjMQ

Gil, you are correct. Kennedy did not WANT to go to Texas. That was a
bad choice of words.
However, he did go and he was not forced to go. In the end , he did
want to go. He felt that he needed the help from many Texans and that
the trip was the way to do it.
-- Raymond

Whether JFK wanted to go to Texas or felt it was important to his re-
election bid to go to Texas, the point is it was his choice to go to
Texas. The last time a sitting POTUS was forced to do something against
his will was when SCOTUS made Nixon release the tapes. People can ask a
POTUS to do something, but the final call is his an his alone. Given the
narrow margin of his Electoral College win in 1960, he couldn't allow the
Republicans to flip that state into their column in 1964. The decision to
go to Texas wasn't nearly as devastating as the choice to ride through the
streets in an open top car. That was the decision that cost JFK his life.


===

Interestingly, the same could be said of ILLINOIS (27 electoral votes),
which had an even closer election result than JFK/LBJ had in Texas (24
electoral votes). JFK went to Chicago on Nov. 1, 1963, which now has been
proven beyond any doubt there was an assassination plot for him there, but
was foiled by S.S. agents. Ditto for a planned motorcade (subsequently
canceled) in Miami, Florida that JFK visited briefly on Nov. 18 sans
motorcade. There was also a proven plot to kill JFK in Tampa on that same
date (Nov. 18--JFK was aware of it but had a motorcade there anyway in his
last 'Profile in Courage' act) before his trip to Texas where the plotters
finally succeeded in their deadly mission to remove him from office.

BTW, you were badly mistaken in your view that the 'bubble top' on the
limo would have shielded him from any bullets. The 'bubble top' (for rain
protection only) was *not* bulletproof as was admitted by S.S. agents at
the time.

BTW2. if you flip only Texas' 24 electoral votes into the Republican
column for '64, JFK still would have won since he had 303 Electoral Votes
in '60, and only needed 270 to win; a margin of 33. Losing only Texas
would not have been enough by itself to give the '64 election to Goldwater
(snicker!), since JFK would have won 279. He would have had to lose *both*
Texas *and* Illinois to lose the '64 election; all other States staying
the same as they were in '60.

[Bill Clarke]

Post by bigdog

Post by Gil Jesus

Post by Raymond
Kennedy wanted to go to Texas

Sure he did.
Sorensen: JFK was "Implored to come to
http://youtu.be/KiMCd-iSndo
Smathers : JFK didn't really want to go to
http://youtu.be/yFa_S3YEjMQ

Gil, you are correct. Kennedy did not WANT to go to Texas. That was a
bad choice of words.
However, he did go and he was not forced to go. In the end , he did
want to go. He felt that he needed the help from many Texans and that
the trip was the way to do it.
-- Raymond

Whether JFK wanted to go to Texas or felt it was important to his re-
election bid to go to Texas, the point is it was his choice to go to
Texas. The last time a sitting POTUS was forced to do something against
his will was when SCOTUS made Nixon release the tapes. People can ask a
POTUS to do something, but the final call is his an his alone. Given the
narrow margin of his Electoral College win in 1960, he couldn't allow the
Republicans to flip that state into their column in 1964. The decision to
go to Texas wasn't nearly as devastating as the choice to ride through the
streets in an open top car. That was the decision that cost JFK his life.
===
Interestingly, the same could be said of ILLINOIS (27 electoral votes),
which had an even closer election result than JFK/LBJ had in Texas (24
electoral votes). JFK went to Chicago on Nov. 1, 1963, which now has been
proven beyond any doubt there was an assassination plot for him there, but
was foiled by S.S. agents. Ditto for a planned motorcade (subsequently
canceled) in Miami, Florida that JFK visited briefly on Nov. 18 sans
motorcade. There was also a proven plot to kill JFK in Tampa on that same
date (Nov. 18--JFK was aware of it but had a motorcade there anyway in his
last 'Profile in Courage' act) before his trip to Texas where the plotters
finally succeeded in their deadly mission to remove him from office.
BTW, you were badly mistaken in your view that the 'bubble top' on the
limo would have shielded him from any bullets. The 'bubble top' (for rain
protection only) was *not* bulletproof as was admitted by S.S. agents at
the time.

If you had any military training you would know the difference between
cover and concealment. Cover is something (often dirt) that protects you
from a bullet or shrapnel. The bubble top was not cover. Concealment is
something that hides you from the shooter but doesn?t protect you from a
bullet or shrapnel. The bubble top was concealment and the sniper would
not have had such a clear shot at the president had it been used. The
bubble top would have hid the president from the sniper.

I see you no longer want to discuss NSAM 263. Probably best for you.

Bill Clarke

[Gil Jesus]

Post by bigdog
The decision to go to Texas wasn't nearly as devastating as
the choice to ride through the streets in an open top car. That was
the decision that cost JFK his life.

Wrong. Kennedy rode in an open car in every motorcade, weather
permitting, both here and abroad.

It never cost him his life.

He could have easily been killed at the Trade Mart.

He was warned not to go to Texas.

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Post by bigdog
The decision to go to Texas wasn't nearly as devastating as
the choice to ride through the streets in an open top car. That was
the decision that cost JFK his life.

Wrong. Kennedy rode in an open car in every motorcade, weather
permitting, both here and abroad.

It never cost him his life.

He could have easily been killed at the Trade Mart.

===start

A very open event from far away, easily available for any rifleman to kill
him there.

===end


He was warned not to go to Texas.


===start

By Evelyn Lincoln, Adlai Stevenson Jr., among others.
It wasn't that Dallas or Texas was the only place his life was in danger:
Chicago, Miami, and Tampa also had bona-fide death threats against him in
November. So, you can't blame it all on Texas/Dallas. The plotters wanted
him dead no matter where he went by the Fall of 1963.

===end

[News]

Post by Gil Jesus

Post by Raymond
Kennedy wanted to go to Texas

Sure he did.
Sorensen: JFK was "Implored to come to
http://youtu.be/KiMCd-iSndo
Smathers : JFK didn't really want to go to
http://youtu.be/yFa_S3YEjMQ

Gil, you are correct. Kennedy did not WANT to go to Texas. That was a
bad choice of words.
However, he did go and he was not forced to go. In the end , he did
want to go. He felt that he needed the help from many Texans and that
the trip was the way to do it.
-- Raymond

===

However, many people now believe the idea that the Texas Democrats' feud
(Gov. Connally vs. Sen. Yarborough) was minor, and didn't warrant JFK's
intervention to heal the rift. After all, it was over a year before the
'64 election when the trip was planned on June 5. Interestingly
(coincidentally, or not?), it was the day after JFK's issuance of
Executive Order #11110 that ordered $4.2 bil. in debt/interest-free U.S.
Notes fully redeemable in silver, instead of issued by the private banking
cartel Federal Reserve at interest.

[Bud]

Post by Gil Jesus

Post by Raymond
Kennedy wanted to go to Texas

Sure he did.
Sorensen: JFK was "Implored to come to http://youtu.be/KiMCd-iSndo
Smathers : JFK didn't really want to go to http://youtu.be/yFa_S3YEjMQ

Your idea is that Kennedy was a spineless jellyfish who could be made
to do things he didn`t want to do?